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Good stuff! And this is confirmed in Matt 6:14-15.

They've been arguing about for just as long.

Your post is testimony to the reason why. Eph 4 is wonderful. I have no disagreement with it. The problem is you didn't seem to have understood what I was getting at. You cannot make sound doctrine on one verse or set of verses alone. Did you not read that man should not live on bread...

Aww my Goodness, Helen... What have you done? You done opened a Pandora's box. Coming up with a definition of "sound doctrine" is a tough task, but it can be done and agreed upon. Actually coming up with sound doctrine is much harder, if not impossible. See, when we discuss Bible doctrine...

Sure, the new creature in Christ... Not the flesh.

I have a big problem with all this "love" because people generally skip the first commandment (love the Lord) and highlight the second. Also, they forget about the importance of truth. You can't love the Lord without it. I await his answer too. Because there are a lot of "next question" I...

Ok then, what is "far from being abolished"? What must we keep?

Well then we may be one the same page. Please read my response to Aspen in post 25.

Well we certainly do that and walk away amicably. I will, however, give it one more shot. I don't feel I have expressed myself as best I could. In the NT, we see the words, "obedience" and "keep his commandments", along with the various variation there of. It it wrong to assume that such...

You may not be, but I am.

don't think so... Mark 12 says there is no greater commandment than "Hear, O Israel, The Lord God is one Lord...." Mat 22 says that on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. It doesn't say that when we follow them we "technically follow the Law of Moses". That's been...

Here is another example of what I am getting at: 1 John 3:22 KJV And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. Here is where some people may immediately think John is speaking of the 10 Commandments or the rest...

That's some interesting stuff, Aspen. I think we better separate them as Paul said they don't mix.

The problem I have is with the idea that we must obey the law and/or do works to be obedient.

Psalm 37:4 KJV Delight thyself also in the Lord ; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.

What if I was to tell you that the very things you desire on this side of life.... Are ok to desire. With food and rainment be content. God said beyond that he would give you the desires of your heart. Just set you affections on things above.

In various discussions about Grace through Faith vs. the law, I have taken the stance of Grace through faith. I see faith and works and the Law as incompatible. Very few, if any will come against faith completely. With good reason: It's clearly stated! But some (despite the objections of...

I think he was lampooning them. BOL never directly calls anyone "idiots". He's actually careful about that... He calls people's beliefs "idiotic", which isn't much better.

I like talking to people about the Lord. I like hearing what others have to say and I like expressing my views as well.