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I believe it's real: both hell and this story. If it wasn't real why would Jesus use it to teach? If it's a parable it's still grounded in truth. If Lazarus wasn't with Abraham with a gulf between him and the rich man (again, I believe it's true) then certainly the setting is true. Jesus...

It's a long story and somewhat an uneventful one to listen to. But me, being the one who lived it, sees the great things that have happened. I live a non eventful life. I have my hobbies, my struggles, my successes and quirky happenings just like everyone else. I have plenty of bills and...

Good post! I like the part about an evil spirit sent by the Lord. Most folks deny God does such things, but he does. I agree with #Bygrace kind of feeling sorry for Saul. The interaction with he and David is fascinating! Saul's son is Jonathan whom I've at times admired and identified with...

Don't forget this verse: Matthew 27:52-53 KJV And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. I don't know that they were in paradise beforehand. But they...

I'm the same way... It's a fight to let things go. But it's time to move on. (I'm still right, though!)

If you see it that way, fine. I disagree, but it's a small thing to argue about.

I am fully aware of the context of this verse without you trying to inform me, but thanks for caring. My point is that you said "timing" is not mentioned in the NT, but it is. This thread isn't about tithing, so I will let it go for now.

Abel is the subject in the sentence and no, it isn't a rule of thumb in this case.

I don't think so. The verse doesn't say he brought the firstlings of his flock, and the fat and the meat and the bones and the organs. But ok... As Bygrace's dad would say, you might be right. I suppose it's a petty issue really.

Yeah, I know.

Again, it doesn't say God made coats of skin? You are saying he killed them, cured them and taylored them. I am saying God made them.

I am aware of that... But you are making up things as you go. It doesn't say any of that.

It says God made them, not took them.

No... I don't disagree. In fact it is exactly what I believe. I am just sticking to the point (for now) the the coats of skin were MADE by God. He didn't take them from an animal.

Well H. Richard already explained why that wasn't so.

It doesn't say God made coats of skin? Ok.

R Read Romans 6:6 on down.

Read the verse. Genesis 3:21 KJV Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them. It says he made them. That's different than saying he killed an animal and took them.

I am a little surprised you didn't catch my last point . The Church wasn't born when Christ died... It died with him.

I dismiss it because it's not in the Bible.