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  1. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Absolutely not. The AOD is placed in the Temple Daniel 11 31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
  2. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The fact that the 144,000 are redeemed FROM THE EARTH, should tell you that the 144,000 are in heaven. Additionally, they are the first fruits of a future harvest. Since they are first fruits you know they have been harvested.
  3. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Been there. They only want to hear what they believe on that forum.
  4. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No. Jesus comes for the Church but does not set His feet on the earth. Additionally, Jesus comes at the 6th seal. It is the second coming. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall...
  5. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The Great Tribulation will not begin until the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet is set up in the Temple. This event has not happened yet because the Antichrist will sit in the Temple of God and claim He is God. The Temple will be built shortly as they have the red...
  6. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Revelation 14 1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice...
  7. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Sure. Hebrews 9:28 is not an advent of Christ. The second advent is when Jesus sets His feet on the earth. That will occur when He sets His feet on the Mount of Olives at the end of the seventh seal. The verse says to those who eagerly wait for Him will He appear a second time. It is those that...
  8. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Of course the marriage supper of the Lamb occurs in Rev 19. That is why the believers are in heaven. They were raptured before tribulation AND before the wrath of God. Two raptures, grain and fruit. Revelation 19 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many...
  9. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    During the tribulation. Immediately after the tribulation of those the son and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. Then appear the sign of the Son of Man. The second coming occurs there is a rapture and then the 7th is opened. The 7th seal is the Day of the Lord..........the day...
  10. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Impossible. The second coming has Jesus remaining in the clouds BEFORE the Day of the Lord. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. Jesus does come for...
  11. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The kings of the earth are hiding because..........For the great day of his wrath is come;...............The one year Day of the Lord has come. That means the trumpets and vials of wrath...........which occurs in the 7th seal...................are coming on the earth. It is the return of...
  12. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest BEFORE the wrath of God. It is the same coming we see in Rev 14 where Jesus remains in the clouds BEFORE the wrath of God. Rev 14 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy...
  13. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Because Jesus said.
  14. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Well, neither of those is the great tribulation and neither of those are the tribulation of those days. So you can have all the tribulation you want, but that is not the time period Jesus talks about.
  15. The Light

    When was the A.O.D fulfilled?

    These are world regions and not countries, and yes, they have already been formed. As to the country that is diverse from the first, I don't think that is a country but is a man, the little horn. Daniel 7 24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another...
  16. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The 6th seal occurs immediately after the tribulation of those days. It is the coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. The 7th seal is the day of the Lord and the coming of Jesus with the armies of Heaven is for Armageddon. Two completely separate comings of the Lord.
  17. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You can't have it both ways. The great tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins. They are not the same and they do not happen in the same timeframe.........hence they are not a recap.
  18. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You are not understanding what you are reading. The seven seals occur in order. There is no recap. The sixth seal is the end of the age. The seventh seal is the Day of the Lord, the wrath of God.
  19. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    The sixth seal is the end of the age. The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus at the second harvest seen in Rev 14. Jesus remains in the clouds. It is the gathering from heaven and earth. The righteous are seen in heaven as the great multitude and the unrighteous are cast into the one year wrath...
  20. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't and yet it appears that you do. You seem to have trouble recognizing that the tribulation of those days is over at the 6th seal. Jesus comes for the harvest and then the 1-year wrath of God begins All trumpets are the wrath of God, just as all the vial are the wrath of God. The wrath...