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The traditional Arminian view is that God frees your will so you can choose. Cause and effect aren't absolute in a world where spiritual forces exist, My will is also a cause, correct?

You may have been saved during baptism, if that is the moment you believed. But baptism didn't save you and neither did the words spoken over you. You want to put God in a little box where he can only save during a certain ceremony? God refuses to fit.

Ok, but saying words over you did not save you. Grace plus faith did.

I was right with you until the last sentence. It's a testimony of salvation, not salvation itself. I have been to a church where the pastor overemphasized baptism. I feel it's a dangerous path. It leads to some believing in a ritualistic act for their salvation. Only the death and resurrection...

So obviously it's not the water that's important.

That's bizarre. And not biblical. Luke 7:50: “And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.” Where's the water? If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Of course not. Many claim his name, but don't know him.

Exactly. And if you don't, you just got wet and worse, you lied by your actions.

Saying the words doesn't save. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. How does one become justified? For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works...

Even if the person is only getting baptized to fulfill a tradition? Or please his family?

Many will claim to know Jesus who don't. Many not only get baptised, but baptize others when they don't actually believe. That's why we are warned about false teachers. Doing this or that work, or saying certain words does not save.

Right. It's true, lots of new age people are into this. I find it odd, since in my parents generation, it was just everyday life. Another group that uses the term are vegans, but they don't really live what they preach.

I got banned there for being honest also. I said to the atheists that evolution ( not adaptation) was a fairy tale. That got me a point. I said Hillary Clinton was a career Liar, that got me a point. I wrote a parable about BLM violence getting them shot in the country. That got me a point. I...

So no more singing " Jesus loves me. "? Jesus died once for all, hence he loves all. He wants a personal relationship, not just worship.

You have an arrogant spirit. I'm no daughter of Eve and I think you are very wrong about this.

I think we basically agree on this. Although I would say refusal to admit the need of a saviour. Which still leads us to an unrepentant heart.

This is the water of the river of life, obviously symbolic of eternal life, not baptism. Just as baptism is a symbol of receiving the gift of new life.

You can confess Christ without truly believing.

And who are those who are brought to repentance? The point of the passage has nothing to do with repentance being granted to only certain people. Did Israel come to repentance? For the most part, no! And in the same verses, we are told who God's spirit is given to: whom God has given to those...

Some of them, sure. But not everyone that uses the word is a global elitist. It's just another way of saying living within your means and producing your own food and such as much as possible.