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We have extensively discussed the question of 'who is Israel? The O.T. talks about the restoration of all Israel, they will go back to live in the holy Land and they will finally be the people God intended them to be. But the N.T. tells us that: if we belong to Christ we are the issue of...

My heart goes out to all who have been taught false beliefs. When pastors or anyone who you trust to teach the truth has deceived you with theories, ideas and doctrines that do not have Biblical support, then it becomes very difficult for anyone to obtain the truth. We have discussed this...

Retro, Strongs Greek dict: Word 3770 - ouranios; celestial, belonging to or coming from the sky, heavenly. Word 3772 - ouranos; same root as 3770, but by extension - heaven, as the abode of God. happiness, power, eternity, specially referring to the Gospel, Christianity. Jesus is not talking...

Thanks Retro. The Bible is difficult enough to comprehend without making us learn the nuances of ancient languages. Yes, we have to contend with translators errors and bias, so using several trans, as I do, is helpful. But the main Bible for me is the Revised English Bible 1989 Oxford press. It...

God did say, through His prophets, that there will be a Third temple. He gave the details for its construction to Ezekiel - 40-48 and in 43:2 we see that the Shekinah Glory will go into it. Haggai 2:6-9 says this will happen AFTER the Lord 'shakes the nations', then the 'splendour of the latter...

Good point, Marcus. Quite correct to say that Rev. 1-6, also Rev. 8:1-5, tells of events taking place in heaven. But Rev. chapter 7 takes place on earth, as is obvious from verse 3: Do not harm the earth, the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of God. Who is Israel was dealt...

In my post #24, I asked where in Rev 7:9-16 does it say God's Throne was at that time. To think what is described happens in heaven, is a construct by those who desire that, to suit their false belief of a rapture to heaven. Proved by reading the first 3 verses of Rev. 7...I saw the four angels...

Just a few points in reply to Marcus and Trekson; As I have found elsewhere, people who have their beliefs challenged, esp. those with the comfortable idea of a rapture away from a earth in tribulation, they resort to character assassination. You provided what you see as truth, I pointed out how...

Marcus, your 'refutation' to my explanation of John 3:13, is merely your opinion. You make no reference to any commentary, Bible study or other support for your stance, let alone any scriptural proofs. But that is what I expect, because both you and Trekson have consistently ignored my requests...

Trekson, if you mean a rapture by 'pre-mil or a-mil', then I absolutely do not believe either stance. If you mean when Jesus Returns, then Rev 20 plainly tells us He comes down to earth for His 1000 year reign. Re the true meaning of John 3:13, I have made my belief clear, I take Jesus'...

The new nation of Beulah, born in one Day, Isaiah 66:7-9, Isaiah 62:1-5, will be formed when the Lord's people. righteous Israel, gather and march into the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 62:10-12. They will elect their own leaders, Jer.30:21, Hosea 1:11 and from how many other scriptures...

Nicodemus had difficulty believing Jesus when He spoke about earthly things, so how could he believe the things about heaven? So then Jesus made an irrefutable statement, that no one goes to heaven, except the One who come down from there. Then Jesus goes on to say that whoever believes in Him...

Although some other posters say 'God is everywhere', therefore heaven is everywhere, that is not quite correct, in my view. God does have a 'dwelling place' and humans, [Ezekiel, John, etc] have visited there. So yes, heaven IS supported by many scriptures, but never your contention that humans...

I do not agree with Randy Alcorn on this unsupported by scripture theory. Although there is what I see as an allegory, in Rev. 6:9, where the souls of those who have been killed for keeping their faith, are kept 'under the altar'. It does not say that altar is in heaven and they are obviously...

Trekson, you are a funny fellow. Randy Alcorn is discussing peoples perceptions of what they think heaven is like, NOT that anyone is living there now or will ever go to God's dwelling place. His point is that the new earth WILL be as good as that. What Randy discusses in Chapter 5, is a...

Marcus, you have made a mistake to quote John 14:2-3 as proof of going to heaven. It says.....I shall come again and take you to Myself, so that where I am there you may be also. Jesus will come again- to earth and His people will be gathered to Him - on earth. Only someone reading that with...

Re; numbers and names; I assure you they ARE important to God. Books are written on the importance of them. God says what He means and the Word says: Not all the offspring of Israel are truly Israel....Romans 9:6 This proves there is a mixture of peoples in the Church. Not all...infers that...

Marcus, your post #13 speculates on the duration of the GT. Is that a concern at present? Then you say the Day of the Lord's wrath is at the Return, after the GT. It is clear to me that the DoL of wrath, occurs at the Sixth Seal, Rev 6:17. It must be the next prophesied event that we can expect...

Marcus said: the concept of the rapture is contained within the Bible. I say; The concept of the restoration and gathering of the Lord's people is prophesied throughout the Bible. And here are some of them: The Second Exodus of the Israelites 2 Chronicles 6:36-39 If your people sin against You...