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i would say numbers 23 would be a good passage if one was wanting to prove the trinity wrong. Numbers 23:19 19 God is not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?

did John plainly say that Jesus was the Most High, absolutely not.

i dont know the specifics IMO they would be meant for the individual and not meant to lead a group.

birdy your one of the few to notice this. didnt Jesus tell His disciples it was them, the inner circle , given the secrets. to the crowds He spoke in parables and "general" teaching. i thnk the bible is like those general teachings but within there are greater secrets. in todays Christinaty we...

i understood it just fine. sounds like your saying the Hebrew bible is for Jews only. this would include Jesus, the 12, st Paul, John the Baptist. so if none of these guys are our example who is? who do we follow? do we just pick something thats practical? and im still scratching my head at...

i dont get how that works. you got "Follow Jesus" in your sig. Jesus followed the laws of the Hebrew bible. does follow Jesus mean to NOT do what He does?

i know what you mean, the Lord doesnt change, but some just dont get it.

im a non Jew that looks to the Jews as my example. Israel was a nation of priest, who do you think they were meant to be priest to themselves? remember that guy Naaman? Exodus 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the...

i never said Christianity was a nation. im not getting that one . . .

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his name. how many times did the Hebrews defend themselves with weapons? to many times to count. and they did not conquer every nation around them and make a Jewish empire. they only defended their home. the Father supports this, so did the Son.

lol your response is this is some error in scripture? your joking right?

nothing other than the words of Jesus: Luke 22:36 He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. the situation did exist and those that Jesus sent out were in fact Christians in that very...

the only issue i have ever had with the virgin birth is it makes Jesus not one of us and if He is not one of us how can He be the perfect example.

it is my opinion which is exactly why i wrote it. do you believe there is no transformation? we die and after death we become . . .flesh and blood man again?

i would think after we die.

so when we die . . . thats it? the end of existence as we know it? so why do we fool around with any of this spiritual stuff in the first place?

the place we go when our bodies die.

1 John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. technically the world is bad, flesh is of this world. the idea is to transform from flesh and blood of this world to spirit and our true self of the next world.