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Nice... BOL you aren't hurting my feelings here... If it makes you feel good, go ahead and believe your own press.

You are missing the point... Ok, beer then. Neper is the God of grain. Beer originated in Egypt. Beer is made from grain. Does that make beer pagan? Bol, your points are so rediculous and your methodology is so shoddy that I am not even going to waste my time with you on this subject...

Wow! I can't believe I missed this quote because it leads into my major point about Bede. The fact that Bede wrote this renders your theory wrong. I've read your theory and I am not impressed. The quote from Bede was circa 700 AD. That means that around that time people recognized Easter as...

Just wondering... If wedding rings are pagan because Isis is the goddess of marriage, does that make "marriage" pagan?

Ok look, you say that the wedding ring has pagan origins but have not produced any reference. You talked of a pagan ceremony without any reference, but I produced a reference that they didn't even have a ceremony. I believe you have proved nothing! Your only proof is the claim about Isis...

Ok... Let's have a look: Love, Sex, and Marriage in Ancient Egypt MARRIAGE IN ANCIENT EGYPT There was no marriage ceremony in ancient Egypt. A woman was married to a man as soon as she entered his house with the goods agreed upon. I don't know when the ring was given, but this author makes...

So we are back to square one. They may have been, but I have yet to see the evidence. The cultures they came from we're polytheistic, and I am sure it influenced their lives in general. But let me ask you: can you describe an Egyptian wedding ceremony? No, it is speaking of the person in the...

When you said "pagan". Oh really? Prove it! This verse doesn't say "which" strength it is talking about either way. But whatever way it is talking about, they are the weaker vessel and your comments about wedding rings being pagan are false.

that doesn't change who is the head of who. the HUSBAND is the head.

And that is what I learned... These aren't "yes or no" questions. Some questions cannot be answered fully with "yes or no". Ultimately, you might be able to come to a yes or no.but as a quick hit "witnessing" type deal... Can't be done.

Willie T's post about 75 thingys changed my mind about some things too. Still digesting the real lesson.

When it comes to salvation, that is true. But have you not read Ephesians 5? Ephesians 5:22-23 KJV Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. [23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

This doesn't seem like a religious issue, but a cultural one. Again there is nothing here that suggests false worship. Furthermore, Christianity (especially modern Christianity) wasn't around then, but Judiasm was. I won't say that a husband actually owned her, but it is pretty close. 1...

My mind has changed greatly in a lot of ways, Bygrace. To start with a simple example, BOL talked about the distinct difference between The Roman Catholic Church and the Catholic Church. I don't understand it all, but I get what he says. There are other things that come up from time to time...

Yes, I have read the same thing. Yet I don't see it tied to worship of pagan Gods. If you want to discuss " no beginning and no end" we can tie that to Adam and Eve. Bit I recall there was some discussion about it. If you believe that to be the source of "paganism" with the rings, please...

I'd like to hear more about these "pagan" origins. I know they have roots in ancient Egypt and Rome. But I don't see anything connected to religion here.

So when is it allowed?

Not meaning to be a funny guy, but when? I mean, could I walk up to the extraordinary Minister and say, "top me off with some of that" during Mass? And would that make me an extraordinary receiver?

Did you come up with an answer to #25?

Well let's go further in thought with this. They are all difficult questions, but questions we may face from unbelievers. How are we to answer on the spot? This is why I think studying and meditating on doctrine is so important. Some of the questions may be unanswerable. But certainly we...