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  1. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Yes so. The Lord himself comes for the Church. Then at the 6th seal the Lord sends His angels to gather the elect form heaven and earth. Two separate comings. What you are not understanding is that the above have absolutely nothing to do with 1 Thes 4 which is when the Lord comes for His...
  2. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I used to be a 33 until I discovered it was wrong. No harvest has taken place. I'm not sure where you get that there has been a harvest. The problem is the second coming occurs at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. The seals are not opened and will not be opened...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You must be reading a bad translation if that's what you conclude. Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. This clearly shows that the righteous are gathered...
  4. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    As I said. The harvest that you are quoting in Matthew 13 shows that the tares are gathered first. The harvest that I am quoting in Revelation 14 shows that righteous are gathered first. The are obviously not the same harvest. That would put you in error. Can you explain why??????? Also...
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    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Whoa Nellie, You said there was a single harvest and the tares were gathered first. I just showed a harvest where the righteous are gathered first and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God. This alone proves what you are saying is in error. Can you explain why the righteous are...
  6. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Notice in Rev 14 that it is the righteous that are gathered first and the unrighteous are cast into the wrath of God. What are you going to do with this???????? Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a...
  7. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Agreed. The barley and wheat cakes are presented on Pentecost. However, Pentecost is fully come on the Feast of New Wine which is 50 days later. Acts 2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of...
  8. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    ABSOLUTELY NOT. Genseis 7 9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. Notice Noah entered the are 7 days before the flood and the door was...
  9. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Notice that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened. The great tribulation and the wrath of God do not occur in the same timeframe. We can tell by the great tribulation is over before Jesus comes at the 6th seal as it is marked by the...
  10. The Light

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Notice we see the Lord HIMSELF coming in 1 Thes 4. Notice at the coming of the Lord in Matthew 24 He send His angels. Two different comings. Two raptures. Matthew 24 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    :gd I'm not following what you are saying. The final wrath is the one-year Day of the Lord. The day of the Lord is the wrath of God which is the 7th seal. But that day will not take believers unaware. They will know EXACTLY when the day of the Lord and the second rapture occurs as they are not...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Paul referenced two raptures. On rapture the Lord Himself comes. It occurs at the trump of God or voice of God. The dead in Christ rise first. Then the Lord returns for the alive that remained. 1 Thes 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think the 5th trumpet is one of the trumpets of Gods wrath. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. When it's over the second coming of Jesus is the 6th seal. He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth.
  14. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I was prewrath which is really post trib as the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. But I kept seeing two raptures all over scripture. When I saw this I was sure and then everything fell into place. Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in...
  15. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yes. But I don't get all of the red number alerts showing how many new posts i have not seen. Yes, I can go through each post and open it and see if I have seen it before. However you have so many posts that its too big a chore to do that constantly.
  16. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I think they are set. But I am running multiple browsers because I work contract and trade stocks etc. So I always have many things going on. I'm think that the alert goes to an open browser that I do not see. I'm thinking the solution would be only open this forum on one browser but I am always...
  17. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I have never read the left behind novels. And yet I can tell there is a pretribulation rapture based on the Word of God. Heaven and earth will pass away, and the Words of our Lord will no pass away. What are His words that will not pass away. This generation shall not pass away, till all be...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    No. I have several browsers open. And I don't get all my alerts.
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't always get alerts on posts, and I think it's because I leave several browsers open. That's all I can figure out. I have to go back through tons of pages to find if anyone has posted anything.............and you post so much. So I have never seen you posts. Please copy and paste so I...
  20. The Light

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Yeah. I'm terrified that you might actually understand one. Then what would you do?