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  1. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    I dont have much time to respond because it's late. Just wanted to make a few brief comments and come back to this later. Thanks again for the conversation. I dont see anything wrong with your views. I just think they are a bit of a stretch. I dont think that is what Lev. 19 is teaching...
  2. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    bbyrd, Thanks for your response. I appreciate the dialogue. I strongly disagree that there is a distinction between Jew and Gentile. Paul explicitly teaches there is no such distinction in Galatians and we also see this in Acts 10-11. Moreover, the passage you cite really has nothing to do...
  3. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    You need to look at the context of that 1 Peter passage. Peter is saying the water of the flood in Noah's day symbolizes the baptism that now saves you. In other words, the waters of the flood that purged the world of sin "symbolizes" the present-day waters of baptism that now save you from...
  4. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    Im not trying to be difficult, but no. Here is why... First, the prohibition in Lev. 19 had to do with planting new fruit trees in the land directly after eradicating the Canaanites. This command is similar to some of the commands when the Israelites entered the land to devote the the goods...
  5. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    I agree bbyrd, I think there is a good discussion going on. Unfortunately, I have had this discussion with H Richard before, and some of his responses and views on the NT and its inaccuracy and conflicting messages are very troublesome to my pov. How do you know not every new believer was...
  6. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    Okay, I can agree with that. Ok, I was likely misunderstanding you to mean there was an exact 1 to 1 relation. I can accept there is a correlation between the two. I think the agricultural references are sufficient in themselves. What I mean is, I think most of Jesus' listeners would have...
  7. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    These are all your assumptions that has caused you to contrive a new gospel that is NEVER taught in the NT. There is ONE gospel and Paul actually went to the "pillars" prior to his preaching of his Gospel to make sure he was not "running in vain." They gave him the right hand of fellowship and...
  8. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    I dont think the verses I quoted are referring to being "baptized" in suffering. I think they are referring to water and the moment a person surrendered their life to Christ. The book of Acts shows us clearly that all new believers were immersed and It a simple fact that the early church...
  9. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    Can you prove this? Jesus says nothing of a 3 year fruitless period. Rather, Jesus is speaking of tending vines and the pruning process that increased fruitfulness by prohibiting vine expansion so the sap of the vine could be focused on producing more grape clusters. It seems to me like a...
  10. Wormwood

    What do you think qualifies one to be one of Christ's disciples?

    A. There is one Gospel, not two. B. Grace was present in the OT. Paul makes this very clear in Romans 4. Grace is not a new invention in the NT. Grace has always come to those who had faith...even in the OT. The means by which that grace has been provided is Christ....but its a great...
  11. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    face2face, Thanks for your response. Personally, I dont see the "fruit" here as referring to converts (although that may be a part of it, I dont think its primarily what Jesus has in mind). John the Baptist speaks of fruit as act reflecting true repentance, Paul refers to fruit as qualities...
  12. Wormwood

    Discipleship and John 15~

    The call of discipleship is prevalent in the teaching of Jesus. Perhaps one of the most intriguing passages related to discipleship is John 15. Lets take a moment to examine the metaphors in this teaching to explore what Jesus wants to share with us about what it means to be his disciple...
  13. Wormwood

    The School of the prophets: Introduction

    Ok, well if you are resorting to insults, I'll leave this "school" now. Clearly its not a place for open dialogue.
  14. Wormwood

    The School of the prophets: God's rules

    Um, if you had read my post, you would see that this is not "clear." This isn't about worshipping Paul. It is about you claiming that and inspired writher of Scripture commands someone to do something that is wicked. Apparently you feel you are a better gauge of truth right and wrong than the...
  15. Wormwood

    444s

    Personally, I dont think the Bible is a code book to be deciphered. I think its message is found in its overall context as a series of letters and books. I think looking at it like a riddle to be solved only obscures the simple, straight-forward proclamations made about what we are to believe...
  16. Wormwood

    The School of the prophets: God's rules

    I would simply add that there are a lot of assumptions going on in Michael's post. First, we do not know for sure that Onesimus was a run-away. Second, we do not know that Onesimus was unwilling to return. It could be that after his conversion, he wanted to go back and make things right with...
  17. Wormwood

    The School of the prophets: God's rules

    Wow. You are making yourself a judge over the inspired Scriptures and Apostle Paul. Very dangerous, sir. I have no doubt that Paul sinned after his conversion, but to say his letters that compose the books of the New Testament are errant and contain sinful commands is simply not Christian. I...
  18. Wormwood

    The trouble with religion

    mj, These types of posts are totally unnecessary and only serve to create bickering and attack other believers who do not think the same as you do.
  19. Wormwood

    The School of the prophets: Introduction

    Michael, I'm sure you can see the difference between debating the proper interpretation of the inspired Scriptures and someone saying, "I am God's mouthpiece. If you reject my voice, you reject God's direct instruction." As for the "day-star," I assume you are referring to 2 Peter 1:19 and...