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and what of the Isiah passage? fulfilled or unfulfilled?

again, if believing in different natures of the Almighty are key to salvation, where does Jesus teach it? i am not aware of any.

i read the scriptures and let them speak for themselves. i dont go in with a preset doctrine belief that i bend the scriptures to support. Jesus says we can ask the Father in the name of the Son. the prayer goes to the Father. Jesus never teaches ask the Son or Father because its all the same...

i asked about the importance of the trinity, you made a reply talking about salvation.

so why use the passage if it is unfulfilled?

trinity teaches pray to the godhead, Father/Son/Holy Spirit. either or, its all the same. Jesus taught to pray to the Father. He makes no mention of praying to anyone else

i dont follow. ur saying salvation is only given through the belief in the trinity?

i think your on to something brakelight. here is a question, why do trins think the trinity is so important? Jesus doesnt have specific teachings on why its so important to believe or accept these three natures. He never mentions follow me but only follow if you believe this or that nature of...

i never said the Lord lies. did you ever stop and think, the source of every nation on the planet is noah and his sons. where in the bible does it say the Lord will reveal spiritual truth through the bloodline of shem to Jesus and no one else outside of that? and what of Jesus and His teaching...

Elijah did godly works, does that make him the Almighty? IMO the word is the creating power of the Most High. the Shema says one, not three in one. Jews never understood it this way and they still dont today. interesting that the trinity has been the biggest subject of debate among Christians...

i do believe what Jesus says. do you believe what He says? He does works in the Fathers name, not His own. His Father gave them to Him. He didnt give them to Himself the Father and Son are one does not mean the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. there is much more to what Jesus...

i do believe the Son is in the Father and the Father is in the Son. i do not believe that the Son is the Father or the Father is the Son. i believe there is a difference between the two.

if Jesus was the Almighty then whats the point of praying to the Almighty? if they were one and the same why did the Son need the Father to strengthen His will. the will of the Father and will of the Son are obviously not one and the same.

strange that the Egyptians, the ones that built the pyramids which we cant duplicate today, they revered this gland. made statues of it and its on their hieroglyphs everywhere. maybe sleep disorders were epidemic in the empire lol.

who was Jesus praying to all the time? if Jesus was the Lord Most High, why would Satan try and tempt Him. the Most High is over all things so who was he trying to turn Him from? the Father would never bow down to Satan, we know that, Satan is smarter than us, he would know this as well.

I dont remember Jesus having a government on His shoulders.

Jesus sent the 12 out to set up churches everywhere and as far out as Asia, Ethiopia, India etc.

where in the bible can i read about this "curse" that our Lord put on China? sounds very interesting. and whats the deal with all the spiritual belief systems in china such as Taoism, Buddhism, lslamism, Protestantism , Catholicism and many more. doesnt sound very atheist to me.

i never said without time i said it would be different. thats why i gave the examples of how time passes in dreams and what Jesus taught. our perception of time is nothing like it was in in the past.

i think time will be different. like when Jesus taught to not worry about past and present but be content in the moment. maybe it will be similar to dreams, when we dream a dozen stories of a dozen lifetimes all in a 10 min nap.