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Boy that's weak. Your claims of avoidance is pure poppycock. You are posting so much nonsense that I cannot address it all. Get specific and quit listing a bunch of out of context scriptures. Here is 24 elders with crowns that prove that Jesus has come. Rev 4 4 And round about the throne were...

I don't think I have missed anything from you. I need to address Randy but you keep posting so much nonsense that its hard to keep up. And how does any of this prevent pretrib. All I've seen is a bunch of out of context scriptures that I have to look up and address. Get specific. List the...

There are souls in heaven, no doubt. There are 24 elders in heaven with crowns. Jesus has come for the Church. Rev 3 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Where in Revelation is this one future coming of Christ??????????????? How many times...

The coming of the Lord when it's like the days of Noah is referring to the rapture of the Church. Noah is in the ark 6 days before the flood just as the Church will likely be in the ark 6 years before the wrath of God. The coming of the Lord that is like the days of Lot will have the Lord coming...

The Church is already in heaven in Rev 5 as they are the kings and priests before throne. But Rev 5 is before the seals are opened & Revelation 5: 8 are prayers of the saints. So this doesn't work. Rev 8:3-4 are prayers of the saints and not saints. So that doesn't work. Rev 11 is the...

There is not a single post that prevents pretrib. That is nonsense. Please feel free to post any scripture that you claim prevents the pretrib rapture and I will prove your error. Please post any scripture that you claim prevents the pre tribulation rapture. You don't have any. OK. I will...

LOL. There are elders in heaven with crowns and kings and priest before the throne. Jesus has come. Simple as that. You are looking for something that cancels out the Word of God. Not going to happen. He is not going to tell you when He will come. That why believers are told to watch. Matthew...

The only thing I'm ducking is where you claim I said the tribulation was 7 years. As for posting scripture, I post it all the time. I did not have time to read your long cut and paste responses as I am getting ready to watch the BB Game and don't have the time. As for His scripture about...

The elders with crowns prove Jesus has come and the kings and priest of Rev 5 are the Church. Where is your 1,024,547 year tribulation? Revelation 19 11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge...

The problem you have is that the scripture does not agree with you. You try to get around that by claiming symbolism. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. Why all you guys think it's about the Gentiles is a puzzle. You claims are unfounded. We both know who is making things...

Revelation 4 4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that...

Now that was a bunch of hooey. It's not the rapture, but it's the rapture. What? 1 Thes 4 is the grain harvest. The dead is Christ is the barley harvest. The Lord Himself will return for the wheat harvest.....the alive that remained. Learn the feasts of God. Then after the tribulation He...

Still waiting for you to show where you got the idea that I claim a 7 year tribulation. I will claim that there is a 70th week of Daniel but that is about the people of Daniel.

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened and the 24 elders have crowns showing that Jesus has come. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel and the people of Daniel are known as Gods elect. Additionally, we know that Israel will be the second harvest as they served...

The Lord Himself is coming in 1 Thes 4. He sends His angels in Matthew 24 so that cannot be when He comes for the Church. The Church is seen in heaven before the seals are opened. The seals are before the tribulation. The Church is not mentioned again until Revelation 22. I think we can safely...

I missed the part where I said there was a 7 year tribulation. Please refer me to the post I made that said this. There is a 70th week of Daniel, but that's about the people of Daniel.

I constantly see posts that claim that the Church is raptured after the tribulation. I ask where is the Church mentioned in the verses of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. Never do get an answer..........because it's not there. That's because it's not the mostly Gentile Church being raptured in those...

For those of you that are looking for verses about the pretribulation............ 1 Thessalonians 4 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive...

FYI, Revelation 14 proves that those 144,000 don't go through the wrath of God. They are sealed because they are believers but are in heaven before the throne before the great tribulation begins. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal.

There is no mention of the mostly Gentile Church being raptured in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. The Church is already in heaven in Revelation 5 and the 24 elders have crowns which proves that Jesus has come. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 is the rapture of the Church before the tribulation. If...