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Stan my language has been very clear. I have never stated the gospel was not a matter of choice. Men left to their devices would never make the choice to turn to God is my contention. God is the initiate in salvation in more than generating a plan, he acts in the lives of individuals. None...

Respectfully, I answered all the issues you raised, then added further support to my refutation of your positions or defense of mine. This does not constitute a red herring. Your unwillingness to be specific in your accusations are causing me to question the validity of them.

Being well refuted is a matter of opinion, just like this comment does no convincing refuting. I do agree confessing means to agree with God. Peter's confession was a result of God's doing, not that of flesh and blood, and yes that would include Peter's flesh and blood also.

So then for those who are following these discussions (let me first say I feel for you :D ): If believing Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God is an act of the will, then salvation is merited on making the proper decision concerning the Christ. Salvation is not a free gift, rather a choice...

God is logical even when we can not perceive His logic. Man is the illogical creature looking towards to Perfect asking why. Yet if left to his own devices man would never even look to God, Him being the whole reason for man's existence. This is where I see God making the effort to pull some...

In other words everybody that disagrees with you is inculcated, indoctrinated, and can not see the truth...this really sums up the majority of our discussions, this and your continual equivocation. You really have an ax to grind against RT, unfortunately I will not allow you to grind it on...

Oz, I did just read your link you posted. I do like the beginning portion, that dealing with the text and admittedly the only section I read due to time constraints. This section though I need more time with: The human will is freed for all people in regard to salvation. This is implied by...

I didn't get anything from this because you were not specific when I directly asked where you believe I did not deal with the issues you raised. You decided to answer with more questions; very unhelpful if you were truly attempting to have open, honest discourse. Now if you desire to continue...

Here I conceded that Israel is within the context with my "yes, but" statement. Yet now lets get more detailed. In Romans 8:23-39 the Christian is the subject in this section. I agree national Israel is the subject in verses 1-5. Contextually the focus shifts at verse 6. Verse 6 and 7 deal with...

The Acts passage flows rather nicely with foreordination...it also allows for the emphasis the text is conveying. Predetermined plan and foreordination of God...this speaks of both a plan including the individuals involved (i.e. Jesus, the apostles, Etc.). Would you say Jesus did not select the...

In Matthew 7:7 Jesus is referring to prayer. Romans 3:11 Paul is referring to the unregenerate. Matthew 7:7 is telling us those who are God's pray to Him and through persistence they receive what they ask for; Romans 3:11 is telling us the unregenerate do not even seek Him and are shut up...

Yes but Paul continues to apply his argument to Christians: 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has...

Perhaps the only bit I missed was where you asked how the 1 Peter bit applies to the Acts bit. I am not attempting to apply the verses rather compare the usage of the word translated foreknowledge.

Oz, I am uncertain where I left any issue unaddressed. Please help me in my oversight.

Yes Stan the Bible does not contradict itself. No one seeks God, no not one. Men are dead in their sins and transgression. None can come to me unless it is given them by my Father. 14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, "I will have...

Oz, The Acts passage flows rather nicely with foreordination...it also allows for the emphasis the text is conveying. Predetermined plan and foreordination of God...this speaks of both a plan including the individuals involved (i.e. Jesus, the apostles, Etc.). Would you say Jesus did not...

Stan, This is the point that the two words are differentiated in only that one is a noun and the other a preposition. The definition of the word we are referring to has a richness and complexity to it that the context conveys, the Jewish mindset perceives and describes throughout the OT, the...

Oz, I would not accuse you of anything dishonest, rather question the possibility of human oversight or error. Mine is the digital copy within the Logos software program. I am aware there is a fourth edition, this is why I mentioned mine is 3rd to begin with. Shalom!

You are creating a false dichotomy with the puppet master statement. And yes I agree context is tantamount in clarifying the meaning of a particular text. You disregard context in your 1 Peter 1:2 interpretation. Lets though continue to look at the Acts a bit. This is spoken after Peter and...

Thanks for the clarification! Yet there is a section you quoted that seems to differ from what I quoted. I am not sure where the difference comes from. Did you perhaps miss the second definition point that the 1 Peter account falls under? mine: ② predetermination, of God’s omniscient wisdom...