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In your post you stated God supernaturally saved you from certain death. You were in water over your head literally, and you were drowning. You said He did this because He has a plan for your life. I say no doubt plans to glorify Himself and His great name. My question then is what if you...

WOW! BE BLESSED AND USED MIGHTILY BY GOD! This really weighs on me though. If you believe He has a plan for you and saved your physical life, is He not able to save your spiritual life also if it comes close to death? No need to answer. In the Love of Christ, justaname

Stan there are times where you communicate things that might seem clear to you, but to the reader on the other side it is clear as mud. This is why I rephrase the words you use because this is how I comprehend what you are communicating so I am asking for verification of this understanding...

This question is irrelevant. We are discussing the subject of those who have once been enlightened...not the audience. My point is these could just as easily be viewed as the Jews during the incarnation as well as believers. I am not the one dogmatic about it really, yet you seem to be dogmatic...

WW, It is a pleasure as always to discourse with you my friend. Let me state I understand a quick response from you is given here. This taken into account you glossed over the John passage. Jesus uses descriptive imagery His audience would be acutely accustomed to. I think you may want to...

Yes but where in the Hebrews 6:4-6 does it use this language? Let me answer for you. No where. Stan, the word "have" is never used in the Greek here. It is inserted by translators to make the text convey the aorist tense. This sentence makes no sense to me. How exactly do you ascertain how I...

Show me one place where it is said these people were "believers" without your inference. Show me one place where the text says these were individuals that have "attained" without your added interpretation. I did not misrepresent anything. Your false accusations are disheartening. I never once...

Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things-things that belong to salvation. - Hebrews 6:9 This most overlooked section of Hebrews 6 I would like to bring to our attention. The anonymous author has just given the dreaded section concerning for it is...

He could dig up a pic for every occasion. He was/is very comical. In the grand scale it will not be long before we are all together with the Lord. Yes we are in the Lord already, yet I can only imagine how much greater it will be in the age to come. 17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.”...

I miss and love him too.

WW, This makes complete sense. I would say this is the key statement where we agree: (and that salvation will be realized on the Day of the Lord when judgment falls). I also concede if we draw near to Jesus only to walk away permanently we forfeit any chance of salvation. It is not as if I...

2 “But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. 3 “To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 “When he puts forth all his own, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. Verse...

Are you stating God's glory is not relative or pertinent to His reasons for creation? Your quote, "The Bible does not teach that we can lose our salvation other than by falling into apostasy," Here it is assessed that you believe the Bible teaches we can lose salvation by falling into apostasy...

Stan you asked a simple question that was simply answered. Some more answers for you... "Why does God do anything if He knows the outcome?" Because everything He does is to His glory. Would you have no creation at all? "Do you actually believe that God made a mistake and created Adam and...

I must say I do like this, yet the Bible does also present the event of the resurrection and the event of salvation for the individual. Rather than the "either or" we must consider the "both and" in this discussion.

Because God's plan was always the world reconciled through Christ all to His glory.

This is a horrible analogy placing God on par with human parents... God did His part through the person of Jesus Christ. God does not give like the world does. The scriptures teach believe and be saved, nothing more is required for salvation. My point was based more in logic though. Would...

No this does not effectively answer the question. These are completely different premises. I have had this discussion with you on "losing salvation" before and only came away more confused on your stance. From the above you are stating you can lose salvation in the case of apostasy. Yet how...

Here it is easily seen you are building a straw-man. To state it another way you are placing words in my mouth. God would never give salvation to take it away. You present this like God does not know who will be saved or not. Do you believe God knows the future? If you believe He knows...

Salvation comes from, in, and through God alone! Selah Obedience to commands "works" do not result in salvation, else there would be no need for the New Covenant. The Bible is clear; salvation is of God for His purpose according to His will. The gospel is the power of God for salvation...