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I was just explaining my views. I never said it was the only thing. I said the two were complementary...more than once. My point is simply this: paid staff help facilitate both care to the poor and the preaching of the Gospel. Removing those ministers who preach, teach, counsel and...

I appreciate you stepping in. I recognize this discussion has become very unedifying. I dont have anything to add. I will start to direct my focus on discussions that build others up. This endless bickering does no one any good. Thanks for the discussion, River.

LOL. I cant quote a creationist. They all sing a mantra together and are brainwashed. I cant reference Meyer...he's a documented liar in your book. Apparently Dembski doesnt count. I cant refer to groups that met more than 30 years ago with these statistics...its too old (even though what...

As I figured. I am not interested in arguing with you about whether you feel justified in calling another person's sources "liars" or suggest their comments are stupid (Yes I know you may see a difference between calling someone stupid or saying they sound stupid...but the effect is pretty much...

I said, River responded with, and later kept pressing that I was slandering her unless i proved it...summarized in this comment: So, away we go: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/21003-a-reasonable-faith/?p=244737...

Good point. Statistically, its as close to impossible as one can imagine. It's about the odds of filling our entire galaxy with white golf balls and sticking one red one in the midst of the mass of white ones and asking a blindfolded person to select the red one. And as I have kept...

So life from non-living particles + lightning strikes is not what that source was saying? And that is not "random"? I don't know what good citing other sources would do when you cannot seem to see the very simple and plain points being made from the sources I have already cited. Yeah, we have...

So are you suggesting that a soup kitchen in Myanmar where food, but not the Gospel is presented, will lead people to Christ? Of course not. It doesnt matter the wealth of the culture, feeding the hungry and preaching the Gospel are complimentary, but certainly not synonymous. Again, I cant...

I find your views to be scarcely different from the Deism that was prominent hundreds of years ago. It is quite evident that these publishers are pushing random chance scenarios. Now you may not view a mixing of an aprimordial soup and lighting strikes as "random" but I think the rest of the...

Your argument then is: that a textbook teaching how life came to exist "from non-living things" based on a hypothesis of aprimodial soup -> amino acids -> monomers -> polymers + lightning strikes is not the same as teaching that life arose from random chance. I have nothing to add and am...

RJ, you must be kidding me. "It is agreed by scientists that there are four main stages to how life came from non-living things." This is what the publisher states. Then it goes on to list a series of events that defy logic and everything we know about the science of microbiology. That...

I just dont understand. I cited a prominent biology textbook site and their teaching on life origins. How are you not understanding this? Again, you are making no sense. The scenarios I have cited involve the most base elements of single-cell functions. That is "science." Science deals...

I truly do not understand how you cannot find the correlation here. This is no different from me arguing something like, "You do realize that your theories about the oceans boiling off is totally unrelated to how the earth probably functioned in the pre-flood era? Surely you arent suggesting...

Yes. I was busy. Like I said, if the discussion involves meaningful content and not just dismissals and accusations, I am willing to stay involved. I assure you I am not running from anything.

RJ, Sorry for the slow reply. I have had a busy weekend. The focus on Axe's paper, as I pointed out, is the ability for protein sequences to vary and retain function. The issue is not whether or not the paper is referring to the origin of life or not. The point was referring to the...

Actually the link is to an article from 2004. I understand it just fine. I just dont like or accept the fact that they jump from one stage to the next (amino acids to polymers) as if these things just happen and no explanation is needed. If its so easy and cells can just form, given enough...

Well, lets see what our Biology textbook producing websites have to say on the subject... Ohh, you're right. They dont teach that amino acids randomly combined to form proteins (a type of monomer). Oh wait. Nope, thats exactly what these publishers say. Amino acids had to be made (which is...

No, Im just making all this stuff up. Oh, wait. Now that I think about it, you shoudl look at the work of Alexander Cairns-Smith, the 1966 Philidelphia conference entitled "Mathematical Challenges to Neo-Darwinism," the work of MIT physicist Victor Weisskoph, MIT biochemist Robert Sauer, or...

River, I have a busy day today so I cannot reply to everything at the moment. However, you have your head in the sand if you dont think Biology textbooks are teaching kids that life started by natural process of molecules joining together in a very different type of world that would have...

Hey Oz, Much of my doctoral research project centered around Mark so I spend a lot of time studying it. Ill check out the video at some point and see how it lines up with my own study on the subject. Thanks for the link.