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I think that might be overstating it. "Expect to have done". No. I think more are considering it, even choosing it. It's not considered 'bad' like it once was. But I think probably a more in depth polling would need to be done before anything definitive could be said one way or another. And...

I very much doubt that it does. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then...

Um. Just because you insert your own understanding behind God's word doesn't mean that's what the context of the passage means. The grammar of those specific passages lean them towards the taken being taken to judgement. The passage of the 10 virgins is a different parable and a different...

I fully agree that scripture teaches a two-return of Christ: the first advent being his coming to die on the cross, and his second when he returns in judgment and to make all things new. However, what the Pre-tribs teach for this final stage in history, is nothing short of a "two-phase"...

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid I don't understand how this is a problem. The very nature of a "Pre-tribulational Rapture" is what makes it a 'two-return' scheme. Jesus returns "in the clouds" to gather the Church, then again 7 years later for everyone else, saint of sinner. You can pick pretty much...

Forgive me as I try and explain how I see this. I know all people 'understand' things differently, so sometimes there can be difficulty in making oneself understood. I'll try my best. I think you're attempting to take the "thief" analogy to literally. Basically all the imagery is trying to...

Why? Probably because scripture also says it: and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” -Acts 1:11 And if you doubt that Jesus is also The Christ, the Messiah of...

As I said in my previous post, I do agree there are many parallels. However, this is not one of them. The 'snatching away' referred to in these two passages, refer to two different sorts of people; in Matthew it is speaking of those under judgement, and in Thessalonians, it is, indeed, speaking...

Everyone who teaches a Pre-trib Rapture.

For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness...

Usually I have a rule about heading initially into Revelation to 'prove a point', as Revelation is an apocalyptic book. It's best to 'back up' our doctrines, rather than prove them. However, I think in this case, starting with a quote from it is appropriate. You ask "what fiery furnace?" Well...

I have no doubt that they are linked. That's sort of my own point. That all the passages speaking of Christ's return are linked. And they're linked BECAUSE they are the one and same return....not two. But, if you want to present your case, go ahead....I'm prepared to have my mind blown. Or, at...

Just calling it as I see it. Feel free to provide biblical facts to the contrary...if you can. Now...it's interesting to me that you label this a FACT. Fact: you say, that the Bride of Christ is present in heaven preceding the second coming of Christ. Fact: this must be the Marriage of the...

Except....they don't. And if you disagree with my break-down of 1 Thess 4 and how it links the Rapture, resurrection, Christ's return, judgement of the wicked and renewal of the cosmos all together, then perhaps you could attempt to show it, rather than just stating it. Because anyone can state...

People just can't seem to help but love them some rules. But...we can also say that they love them some absolute anarchy and chaos. It seems the one thing we can't get behind is the center...which is where grace lives. Thank God.

Ah...where do you think all the "Dead in Christ" are now? The souls who will receive their glorified bodies before you will be the believers at Christ's back. Plenty of them up there right now.

1 Cor 11:26 certainly mentions the certainty of Christ's return, but not the timing or circumstances, so I'm not sure it can weigh in on the particular conversation. 1 Thess 4 gets us into some meat! In fact the whole passage of 1 thess 4-5 does. It brings us the Resurrection, the Rapture, the...

Well, I'm pleased you are, I suppose. But I must, myself, question how 'clear' John 14:1-3 can be on a "Pret-trib" teaching when it doesn't mention the tribulation at all, the timing involved, or even the specific location that we shall join Christ at, apart from his person. I would submit that...

Should suffice for what? You posed that John 14:1-3 was Jesus himself teaching a Pre-trib Rapture. However, when we look at the text in context, Jesus is speaking to his Disciples about his 'going away' and their inability to follow him...just yet. That is what he is telling them 'not to be...

But can you hang the legitimacy of the Pre-trib Rapture on a single passage alone? Especially this passage? In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will...