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  1. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    You are taking specific usages of how the general term blaspheme is used and creating your own personal definition. If you want to understand what Jesus meant using the phrase blaspheme of the Holy Spirit you need to look into the context where He actually used it.
  2. justaname

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    So true here. Without the laws of logic where God is the author, there is only chaos.
  3. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    I know a man that was a "Christian" since a child. During a conversation he said, "You don't actually believe this stuff do you? I just come here because I know all these people and I like singing the songs." Eventually he left the faith. This person does not fit your paradigm. It seems to...
  4. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    blasphemy |ˈblasfəmē| noun (pl. blasphemies) the act or offense of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk: he was detained on charges of blasphemy | screaming incomprehensible blasphemies. What the context of the verse that uses that phrase suggests is attributing...
  5. justaname

    Logical fallacies hijack discussion

    Fallacies are annoying and do not allow for discussion. I approach them each differently depending especially on the setting and the user of the fallacy. What must be done without question is to get the guilty party to understand they are unfairly or illogically arguing, and have them stop...
  6. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Then according to your own description you should have no hope in salvation right now. Is this true? Or are you stating that while in the backsliding state Jesus' atoning sacrifice is no longer effective? Jesus then would no longer be the mediator between you and God because you are...
  7. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    This does nothing to answer the question. Your Statement: "As for OSAS, at the core of this doctrine lies the (erroneous) belief that works need not be manifested in the life of one converted to Christ - only the "belief in" and "acceptance of" Jesus." Can you post the definition of OSAS and...
  8. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Honestly I do not see you as butting in. I am listening to the opposing views and am particularly challenged by OzSpen. I believe readers as well as participants can grow from more fully understanding differing positions. I see this as a theological discussion. This discussion has not only...
  9. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    I have fully read the book of James and am fully convicted of the truth it presents. Restating your claim as evidence is not evidence at all. Can you support the second portion of your post with evidence? What I have in mind specifically is this portion, "As for OSAS, at the core of this...
  10. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Can you support your first statement with evidence? Most importantly that OSAS seeks to establish dead faith as a means to obtain eternal life.
  11. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    This is a description of the term "backsliding" not "losing salvation".
  12. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Oz, I have no disagreement of Kittle's definition, yet you have loaded your opinion into the definition. One can abandon a religious belief system without holding belief in the system at all. Some who are counted by the world as Christians do not believe in the resurrection; they say it is to...
  13. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Would you care to answer the question I posed in my response? What comes into question is what Paul means behind the statement translated "leave the faith". Also you are imposing your belief that person possessed faith that was salvific in nature in order to say they lost their salvation...
  14. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    If you read closely that last post I do not entirely dismiss apostasy... God uses people to preach the gospel because that is the means He uses for salvation, "how can the believe if they have not heard?" Truly this does fit the God of the Bible, just not how you seem to want to interpret Him...
  15. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Oz, We are in greater agreement here than you might think. This is actually the tactic of the poster being used against him if that makes sense... Although with all fairness to my position I am certain we agree all interpretations come with some sort of bias to the text. As an example we do...
  16. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Hebrews 6:4 is the most difficult passage to reconcile concerning the "loss of salvation" issue, so for now I will only address this one. The text infers that believers can apostatize. What I see is the concern of expressed followers of Christ returning to Judaism. As they are enlightened...
  17. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Oz, He is saying you can lose your salvation... To speak of Judas though...the son of perdition...never to be saved. Shalom!
  18. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    The majority if not the entirety of these I have responded to already...look into the first five pages...if there is any I have not responded to repost just those... Thanks! Honestly from a moderator standpoint you should not be doing this either. Large list posting like this is discouraged.
  19. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    Proverbs 16:33 We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall. Jeremiah 10:23 I know, LORD, that our lives are not our own. We are not able to plan our own course.
  20. justaname

    The Doctrine of OSAS

    You are getting off track here...the topic is being sealed with the Holy Spirit which happens at least upon belief. We are sealed until redemption. The idea that the seal can be broken is not biblical. That is again your preconceived notion introduced into the text. For the remainder of this...