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I do get that... I get that you don't take any scripture lightly and I commend you for that. I don't neccesarily understand all of your point of view, but then again I am a pretty unique individual on this board. I am not one who believes in the trinitarian theory or traditional rapture...

Well then I missed where you expounded on your thought. Since I asked for you to comment further, you haven't posted in this thread before post #72. That means unless I missed your post (which is entirely possible) you haven't actually expounded on it. That doesn't really answer the question...

I start work in 3 minutes so I will have to reread it later. However, it was just one of three problems I addressed. What about the others?

This is Soul Man's thread so I am not sure I should answer for him. But the answers to APAK's questions do exist... Or at least are strong in support. John 5:39 KJV Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. Galatians 3:24 KJV...

Well my point was that Romans 13 isn't talking about governments of men. Its talking about God's government.

Well now you have pissed me off. I find this pretty arrogant in the midst of me trying to bow out of the conversation graceously. No need to be upset... I will not bother you. I will just keep in mind what manner of man you are. Have a day...

101G You are doing the same thing once again: you are picking and chosing which definitions best suit your purpose and not the ones that fit the context. In the first quote sunergos does not mean "cmedjutor". It is a co-laborer. If you look carefully you will see the letters "i.e". That...

You really didn't explain why and many of the verses you have discussed don't support your stance. Not all are apostles, for example. He gave some [not all] apostles, and some [not all] prophets.... And so forth. Furthermore, you have not addressed that a bishop is a superintndant. As a...

Romans 13:1-7 1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. [2] Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. [3] For rulers...

Stranger, I have no problem with someone saying Judas cast out demons and healed people. He was part of that, and to deny his part is to say neither did Peter or John or the others. But it isn't a big point with me. You are correct in that he never was saved. John wrote this that shows this...

I didn't like the OP for the same reason that others brought up, but as a hypothetical question it isn't bad. I would have to say I believed theBible was your testimony and I took it to heart. I understood it pointed to Jesus being my advocate, my sacrifice, my elder brother and the sole...

They are not interchangable. It is true an apostle takes on all the rolls. A bishop also takes on the roll But not all pastors are apostles or bishops. Simply because they are all overseers does not make them interchangable. Mayors, governors and Presidents are all overseers two, but they...

I meant to ask you about this... Can you expound? Are you saying God doesn't rule over his sheep? I'd love to hear more about that.

Good! I would appreciate you doing so.

No 101G. The shepherd doesn't own the sheep. Not always. David cared for Jesse's sheep. Jacob for Laban's and Moses for Jethro's. They were all shepherds but did not own the sheep. I see what John 10 says, but so what? In John 10 Jesus owned the sheep and speaks of the hireling which...

What would you have them do to reflect such a disposition?

Well like I told 101G when he did the same thing: I never said "rule over". I said, "ruler of". Its right there in the strong's greek definition which I provided earlier. Then why did you bring it up?

Eph 11- 13 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; [12] For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: [13] Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of...

I am standing with you firmly on this Grams. I know nothing about your Church or your Pastor other than what you have told me. But I have a similar situation where I am.

Take care of yourself as much as humanly possible, and Lord willing, have a full and quick recovery.