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Hi Wormwood, Your words: “Second, when I say "cycles" I simply mean they are a series of visions describing the same period of time in different ways. The focus of each vision is on different things.” Yes and no. Are they visions of the same time period? Yes, if you mean Daniel’s 70th week, the...

Hi HR, Your words: "Jesus spent 3 years in His ministry to the nation of Israel (the fig tree) and they did not accept Him as their king. After His crucifixion His apostles had about 40 years to dig around it. But it never happened so God concluded that all had sinned and therefore He could...

Hi HR, Your words: "Yes I know Jesus said this to the 12, but the 12 were to start with the nation of Israel and then to the world. Israel, the nation, was to be a light to the Gentiles. I believe it will happen when Jesus comes back and sets up the promised kingdom in Israel." We don't have...

Well said!

Hi H. Richard, Your argument has one major flaw. Matt. 28:19-20 - "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always...

Hi Wormwood, I guess the easiest way to do this is to keep your format and just comment as we read along. Since the whole of the NT glorifies Christ, Revelation isn’t any different so I don’t consider that as part of a “cycle”. That part, at least, is just a continuation of the whole book. What...

Hi Wormwood, My goodness, you have me at a disadvantage. This is obviously something you had prepared ahead of time. No offense because I can be a little verbose as well, but it's like I'm have a Retrobyter flashback. No offense, Retro, if you're still around. Anyway, it might take most of...

Hi Wormwood, I'm looking forward to the discussion but you didn't give me much to start with. While you see them as cyclical, I see them as literal and sequential with the letter to the churches (1-3) being the "things which are" from Rev. 1:19.

I'm pre-millennial

Good post Oneoff. Heb. 4 confirms that thought-line and I have written the same before.

Hi, I'd like to have a debate/discussion with someone or anyone about amillennialism. If you care to do that then please post your scriptural understanding of it and I will reply. Any takers?

Hi Scaliafan, I'm sorry but your definition does not describe blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Matt. 12:31 - "Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." You describe just plain old...

Hi Ridgerunner, Here is Rev. 1;19 from the AMP - "So write the things which you have seen [in the vision], and the things which are [now happening], and the things which will take place after these things." You can see from this that the book doesn't contain the past from John's pov. The "hast"...

Hi Ridgerunner, I think you're taking Rev. 18:24 out of context. As Revelations is a prophetic book and speaks mostly on events within Daniel's yet unfulfilled 70th week (aka the tribulation period although that's a misnomer) I believe this verse should also be read within the context of the...

Hi Phoneman, This is regarding post #24. Let's talk about the 2300 day prophecy. Although we disagree on when the 490 years was completed we do both agree that it was fulfilled historically. The prophecy of the 2300 DAYS was fulfilled historically as well. Most of this story is in the book of...

Hi Phoneman, I'll deal with this one today and the next one tomorrow. Your words: "Trekson, please remember that the only time the "day for a year" principle is employed is when the prophetic time period is given in an obviously SYMBOLIC manner. Who decides if it's symbolic or not? I believe...

Hi Phoneman. Your words, "It never ceases to amaze me how people can open a symbolic book, read things like "a third part of the trees" and then look around to see whether one third of the earth's trees have been destroyed. Revelation is SYMBOLIC." Is symbolism used? Yes! In most cases, is the...

Hi Phoneman, See, here's the thing... Your words: "was enough to restrain the Bishop of Rome from taking the throne and commencing the 1,260 years reign of the Papacy." I respectfully reject what you guys call, if I remember this correctly, "the year for a day principle" and I will tell you...

Hi Brakelite, I agree with points 1-3, however points 4-8 I don't. The one thing you must consider is prophecy for the most part is all about the Jews/Israel. I believe, in the beginning, the man who will become the a/c will be accepted by Israel as their Messiah. If there is a future ten nation...

Hi Oneoff, Your words: "then for sure it does indeed say conflicting and alternative 'thus' things, rendering "one mind and one purpose" an impossibility" When you're speaking of man's interpretations of what the Word of God says, then I agree, however your quote seems to imply that the word of...