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Okay cool.

Ok let's get into the time dilation portal, and go back to that time. Ready? Zap!

Bind the masses, and they will do anything you tell them.

Or sitting sheep.

Well let's raise our glasses, in respect.

I'll tell you a little secret, I used to scream at my television when Benny Hinn came on. I just wanted help for my own faith you know. But Benny Hinn just made me mad, real mad. Because he'd be, well I'm sure you can understand why anyone would be mad at him.

Perfect for monkeys like us.

I totally synced up with one of your comments in my last post. Wonder twin powers active! In the form of synchronisation.

Oh yeah, and those books she cranks out by the truck load. How many books and CDs does she need to invent? I think she even has the Joycey translation or something. Come on guys, we have to stop her now. Before she starts slapping people over and singing off key like Benny Hinn.

Okay fair, fair, enough said :)

What Joyce Meyer's father did to her as a child is pale in comparison to what her teaching does to people today. She has millions of mind's in her hands, young and old alike. The way I see it, is that she is up on the pulpit claiming she talks on the behalf of the Almighty God. She's a true blue...

Of course it did, that's a fact. But you're not really helping me connect the dots here. If it's impossible to tie Jesus to actual real processes, those that he explains and then can be verified as real universal principles. I just don't see why I would accept he was the creator of this...

Okay, although that doesn't describe anything that we observe about our known universe today.

Actually now I think about it, it's not technically wrong. Although it became wrong because of the fall, but I figure that it will be permissable again in the new earth when we have a perfect body. But the problem is here is I would have to believe that, and that's not going to help me at all...

Are these Bible verses that people quote, actually been proven to concur with known aspects of reality. How do you know any of these biblical formulas work? Can they be tested? What are there cause and effects?

Okay right, we are on the same page here. So what makes you think this creator of everything is Jesus? I'll need some grounded facts here that demonstrate how he is.

Let's talk about God okay. What is a God from your point of view?

Okay Dave L If Jesus cannot use his godly abilities unless we have faith in him to use those abilities, then is God incapable of something? Doesn't the general believer rant about how God can do anything, and nothing is impossible for him?

This is the last thing I'll say to you. No one here should expect an outsider that is not Christian to be anything else than a worldly sinner, who obviously needs to be shown by those who do believe, charity. Love. However, I really don't give two rat's about it. But if a Christian thinks that...

Just how the Bible said, you got anything else to go on. Anywho, I simply don't like you or your policy to agitate your enemies. Do whatever you like, just don't talk to me anymore.