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Neophyte, please focus. Neither of the scriptures you provided even begin to refute Matt 13: 55-56. -- LOL How could YOU possibly know the heart or the level of understanding or faith of ANY person who left ANY faith. Your silliness is compounded by your belief that you can speak to the...

Mungo, you make my point for me. Instead of looking at the facts and what they point to, you have chosen a position and are now working to try to find points to support it,. Unfortunately - besides smacking of desperation - they do not support your claim. In order to support the alternate...

God sees (as Christians should) great wealth and fame in the world as absolutely nothing. When they stand before God to give an accounting of their lives, that wealth and fame will count for nothing. Who cares if you have great riches, own many homes and cars, etc in the few years you are on...

James talks in detail about controllng the tongue. It would be worth a read. A friend of mine made a flippant statement about foul language stating that those who have difficulty controlling their swearing likely have other areas with the same lack of control. I am not sure if I agree with that.

I heard it was very insightful. The biggest thing that draws me to it is that those who criticize it, never say that it is lying or distorting the message. They just say it is mean towards the President or attacks him. Of course, these are the same people that called Fahrenheit 911...

-- Honestly... Being espoused did not give license yet to consummate. That came after the official wedding ceremony. That is why Mary said "since I know not man." Once again there is absolutely Nothing - NO THING - to support the idea that Mary had a vow of celebacy other than the one to...

-- This is how ridiculous the Catholic position is ----> Joseph didn't have sex with Mary until Jesus was born....and then he still didn't have sex with her until he died. To claim that the "until" in... "But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him...

Axehead, you make excellent points. Mungo refuses to accept the standard he expects us to accept, though. So I will give Mungo what he expects others to accept. I am willing to bet that, even though it explains it instead of makes claimes and includes scripture that actually pertains to and...

Again, Neophyte, you have provided an opinion. An opinion. And you don't even provide the authority of the person giving the opinion. Honestly.... Axehead, that is a good post. Unfortunately, those who make huge cut-and-paste postings that have scripture in them that does not even come close...

And that is your problem, I have read it from start to finish. Just like Neophyt's post. If YOU had actually read it yourself you would realize that only be the grandest stretch could you possibly find that the scriptures included supports your position, and even just a couple of them. If you...

lol. Not tons of specifics. Tons of (unsubstantiated) opinions. You can't point to one single solitary thing in your cut and paste that is more than opinion.

lol Mungo, when you post something that says, ""Moreover, the scholastic Doctors have recognized the Assumption of the Virgin Mother of God as something signified, not only in various figures of the Old Testament, but also in that woman clothed with the sun whom John the Apostle contemplated on...

See my last post, big guy. It has been updated and shows your post to be...well....lacking.

Neophyte did a cut-and-paste. I detailed how the cut-and-paste documentation he provided doesn't cut the mustard. You calling them "precedents" doesn't make it so. Precident does not automatically equal proof. Sorry. Using that you could say that since Jesus walked on water, the Catholic...

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-- Thanks, Rach. I appreciate that coming from you. Neophyte, while I do appreciate your huge cut-and-paste contribution, the number of things wrong within it are as numberous as they are impressive. I will address a couple issues right off: "The Church has never formally defined...

Thanks, Axehead. I appreciate that. I must have hit a chord with it, because Aspen, who has posted on several threads over the last couple of days, has chosen to completely ignore this thread that he started with such vim and vigor. .

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A chance for actual dialog. Outstanding. Please note that none of my responses are flippant. From Neophyte.... Foreigner, you wrote the following; 1) Where is the Bible does it state that Mary was taken up into heaven bodily? My answer is- nowhere, but we as Catholics do not take Mary as our...

1) Where is the Bible does it state that Mary was taken up into heaven bodily? 2) Where in the Bible does it state that Mary remained a virgin and never had sex with Joseph? 3) Where in the Bible does it say specifically that she never had any other children than Jesus? 4) Where in the Bible...