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And what is there to support the claim that the twelve stars are the twelve tribes of Israel? They can just as easily represent the twelve apostles. - Mungo -- The support is that the representation of "12 stars meaning the 12 tribes" has already been used once in the O.T. in the scripture I...

Incorrect. -- First, the simplest comparison. The 12 stars on her head represent the 12 tribes of Israel, just as it did in Joseph's dreams in Genesis 37:9-11. Catholics try to say those 12 stars symbolize the 12 apostles, but there is nothing to support that claim. Catholics say it must be...

Where are these Protestant teachings found in the Bible? - Aspen 'scripture interprets scripture' -- Aspen, you yourself have used Scripture to confirm the validity of another Scripture when people have questioned whether it supports a Catholic position. Physician, heal thyself. 'ask Jesus...

-- Neophyte, pointing to a Catholic web site, filled with Catholic views, based on Catholic opinions, with no independent or verified evidence to support the Catholic position isn't going to convince ANYONE but a Catholic. Or to be more blunt: Unsubstantiated Catholic claims are NOT proof of...

-- I understand. You know that if you were to provide actual evidence to support your unsubstantiated claim that Rev.12: 16-17 is actually talking about Mary and I rejected it, it would reflect poorly on me to everyone here, which I think would delight you to no end. Knowing that yet refusing...

-- Not according to Matt 24: "At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other." -- That is an unsupported assumption about Lot's wife. The Bible doesn't give a reason any reason at all as to why she turned back. But she was warned earlier not to even look...

-- Once again, I used your own words and showed where they imply certain popes and saints are "uneducated." But after looking at your last two posts, it is hard to see where you aren't 'whining.'

-- Mungo, I have provided specific in-context statements along with the link so you can see for yourself. The last two sentences of your statement apply more to you than anyone else on this board. If you have lost interest, then don't comment on anything I have said. I will somehow deal with...

-- You make an unsunstantiated claim about Rev. 12:16-17 being about Mary three seperate times. I ask you to provide support or proof for that claim and all you can respond with is, "I've lost interest in discussing anything with you." Then you complain you can't get a "rational argument."...

Mungo, I will try one last time to reason with you. What I presented was correct. You CAN see for yourself if you would look.

"You provide no evidence for your claim. Did they support forged claims or did they support the wearing of the brown scapula?" - Mungo -- They supported the forged claims. I provided proof, but feel free to Google or Bing and check for yourself.

-- Prove it.

So does the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas. - Aspen -- You mean the "Gospel" that teaches that Jesus, as a boy, murdered two children? That "Gospel" of Thomas? The one that says Jesus, as a young boy, struck adults with blindness? The one that portrays the young Jesus as an immature, petulant...

-- Sorry, Mungo, but the woman mentioned in Rev. 12:16-17 is NOT Mary. That is simply one more example of your inability to understand Scripture because you are trying to wash it through Catholicism first. And yes, Dragonfly, Aspen is serious. Wrong, but serious.

-- Granted. You are correct. I didn't see accusing you of being obtuse as actual name calling. I was thinking more along the lines of "You Big Doo-Doo Head." You have shown you read the first line of my last post, but how about the rest. You know, where I actually answer your question....

Hmmmmm....Aspen, what specific name did I call you? I must have missed it. It appears I may have given you too much credit in assuming you already knew. I said, basicallly, that the Bible will help you achieve and maintain salvation, grown in your knowledge and intimacy of God, and share Him...

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Where are these Protestant teachings found in the Bible? - Aspen 'scripture interprets scripture' -- Aspen, you yourself have used Scripture to confirm the validity of another Scripture when people have questioned whether it supports a Catholic position. Physician, heal thyself. 'ask Jesus...

-- "Keen to attack anyne who does not see pro-choice abortion as killing the unborn person?" So what is the standard used to classify it as "attack?" According to the left, anyone who does not disagree with them is "attacking" them. Perhaps you've noticed the current election season? Please...

Neophyte simply needs to realize that membership in the Catholic Church is not required to be saved, spirit filled, and used mightily by God. Once he accepts that, everything will be fine.