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That's actually not true. Paul and John both teach rapture. The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or...

But if the harpazo was at the end of the 70th week, the red dragon would devour the church the moment he was born. Are you forgetting that teknon is in both verse 4 and 5? Virgo is giving birth to Jupiter in three months keras, not 7 years later, ;) Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a...

1 Thess 4:17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up (harpazo) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

No you can't, lol. Neither death nor life can separate the believer, and sin brings death. And neither the present nor the future can separate the believer proving Jesus died for future sins.

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I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Or maybe you're looking at the Gospel through works and not belief. Check out the word agape below. :rolleyes: Rom 5:5 And hope does not put us to shame, because God's love (agape) has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. Rom 8:33-39 Who will bring...

1 Thess 5:5 For you are all sons (huios) of the light and sons (huios) of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. Rev 2:26-27 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and...

Also, Rev 12:1-5 takes place in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars and planets reside. Stellarium is a star tracking software. So why can't anyone locate this sign in Stellarium 2,000 years ago. Why is it that we can only find it on 9/23/17? Do you have eyes to see and ears to hear?

:rolleyes: 1 Thess 5:5 For you are all sons (huios) of the light and sons (huios) of the day; we do not belong to the night or to the darkness. Rev 2:26-27 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27that one ‘will rule them with an iron...

Hi keras, Teknon is a corporate word describing a group of people, huios is a singular word. Rev 12:1-5 is in regards to three corporate bodies; the red dragon (antichrist system), Israel and the church. If John wanted to incorporate Jesus only into Rev 12:1-5 he would of used huios all three...

That's funny, even Paul felt prematurely born, 1 Cor 15:8. Are you the exception FHII. :rolleyes: Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you...

Gotta love the internet. lol :confused:

2 Tim 4:5-8 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 6For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7I have fought the good fight, I have finished the...

What are your thoughts on the word "harpazo" being in Rev 12:5 and the Rev 12:1-5 great sign coming to pass on 9/23/17. Thank you FHII.

Dan 12:11 "daily" in Hebrew is translated "continually". I also came across Heb 13:15.. Dan 6:16, 20 / 2 Pet 2:9 / (1 Thess 4:17, Jude 1:23, Rev 12:5 harpazo/rescue) So the king gave the order, and they brought Daniel and threw him into the lions' den. The king said to Daniel, “May your God...

Rev chapter 20 already came to pass? :rolleyes:

Well, it's actually the opposite. Jesus commands us to wake up so He doesn't come like a thief. Rev 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you...

:rolleyes: Rev 12:1-5 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman (Israel) clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She (Israel) was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an...

:rolleyes: 1 Thess 4:15-17 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the...