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    I'd like to have a calm, rational conversation about End Times...anyone?

    The 1,000 years is future Mr. servant. lol
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    Rapture Debate.

    Hi buddyt, Jesus actually comes like a thief to nonbelievers, not believers. Read Matt 24:37-41 and 1 Thess 5:1-11. Paul and John both teach rapture. The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this...
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    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    Gen 1:14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years. Luke 21:10-11 Then he said to them: “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great...
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    Rapture Debate.

    If there's no rapture then why does Jesus come like a thief in the end times, Matt 24:37-43, 1 Thess 5:1-11?
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    For those who have eyes to see, ears to hear, If you're not sure you have eternal life through Jesus Christ please consider these passages. Time is short. John 3:3-7 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” 4 “How can someone be...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    The constellations, sun, moon, planets and stars are literal objects in the heavens. What they represent is symbolic to Rev 12:1-5. I'm not having it play out in the stars, God is. She is bringing something forth, which is the body of Christ. Yes, and notice the word in Rev 12:5, harpazo...
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    9/23/17, Rev 12:5, X etc..

    These reasons make it clear that every Christian should be earnestly desiring the return of the Lord. Yet apathy prevails. Why? Listen to what a Unsealed.org says Yawning about Jesus I have found four reasons for the apathy and indifference that characterize the Christian community concerning...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Of course Jupiter doesn't have a womb. It's symbolism. Jupiter represents the body of Christ being birthed into incorruptible seed through rapture. Right, but we're discussing Rev 12:1-5. What does Rev 12:1-5 say? :rolleyes: Astrology is forbidden if you're worshiping Satan Naomi. Believers...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Well, it's not conjecture. The moon is literally at her feet, she is literally clothed with the sun, she literally has 12 stars above her head and Jupiter literally stays in the womb for 42 weeks. Look at the picture. like the wise men did at Jesus birth? the rev 12 sign takes place in the...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    No, I can find it in the stars. It occurs on 9/23/17.. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XXxVwpcXV0U/maxresdefault.jpg What nobody can find is the sign occurring in the stars 2,000 years ago at Jesus birth. You believe this sign is referring to Jesus birth, no? 1. The moon is at the woman's feet 2. The...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Hi Naomi, If this sign came to pass 2,000 years ago then why can't anyone find it on Stellarium. The Rev 12:1-5 great sign takes place in the heavens where the sun, moon, stars and planets reside. Stellarium is a star tracking software. We have already gone back in Stellarium 7,000 years, and...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    How would you interpret 1 Thess 4:14-17, Rev 12:1-5 and also the word harpazo? The darkness in the Grace period right now should not be compared to the darkness that is coming to the 70th week. It will be much worse in the 70th week. Joel 2:1-2 Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Then God lied, we actually don't meet God in the air and His throne like it says in 1 Thess 4:17 and Rev 12:5. :rolleyes:
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Naomi, question: If Rev 12:1-5 is astrology, how do you see it being fulfilled in the heavens?
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    That's actually not true. Paul and John both teach rapture. The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1 Thess 4:17, Rev 12:5, translated “caught up.” The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    Well that's the thing. Now it comes down to believing. When Paul says that day will not surprise us like a thief, I believe him. You don't. God created the constellations, the sun, moon, stars and planets for times, days and years. The Rev 12:1-5 sign takes place in the heavens. How else do...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    The rapture and the second coming on the Day of Atonement are 7 years apart. Watch this video and learn why this word means rapture.. youtube / watch?v=amYGukr4sdM&t=26s The church is restraining darkness and for the antichrist to be revealed. How? By just being in the world. 2 Thess 2:6-8...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    No, they're actually the same thing. If we can't know the day and hour, then He will come like a thief to believers. Naomi, He only comes like a thief to nonbelievers. 1 Thess 5:4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. Again, an...
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    No scripture contradicts rapture teaching

    That's what I used to think to, until I woke up to the Rev 12 sign. Michael's war is in heaven, not on earth. The restraining takes place on earth.. youtube / watch?v=amYGukr4sdM&t=13s Thinking the rapture is false is elementary. The Greek word from this term “rapture” is derived appears in 1...