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lol, is it that bad, the persecution? Catholics usually do a pretty good job of just letting it go, from what I've seen anyway. I have a slightly different take on that. "deny oneself" is to deny ones own strength and ability, will-power, depending totally on Christ. "take up the Cross"...

What do the Catholics believe "deny himself, take up the Cross, and follow me, means exactly? Not a book please just short order BOL.

I can imagine it's not easy being a Catholic.

Brother Tong, LOL, not going to argue this, as i said nothing will be settled. Gonna give you this and Charlie is out! Say what you will, not getting in it again! The animal sacrifice was based on the sacrifice of Christ not yet seen. There had to be something in sacrifice for them to see...

Your understanding of my understanding is somewhat flawed. We are guaranteed salvation by faith, you are as saved now as you ever will be. There remains the element of something very important to God. Heb. 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is...

Brother @Tong2020 I know you are gearing up for a rebuttal, not going to do it, my friend. it wasn't settled on the OSAS thread and it won't be settled here.

No sir, they were not saved until death! That is what I was showing Behold with the Hebrews in Egypt. And neither are we, only having a down payment on our salvation until death or the resurrection. They knew very well what the blood on the door posts represented. They were saved if not...

One other thing, the blood of bulls and goats could not take away sin, but the blood of that animal seen by faith as Christ's blood, that is what saved them through the forgiveness of sin.

There are lots of things in your post to cover. I will start with this. It was a foregone conclusion in the mind of God that Jesus would go to the Cross and die for our sins. In His foreknowledge of that, faith in the animal sacrifice which represented Christ, was the same for them as faith in...

You are one confused soul, Behold, but that's ok, we're going to get you fixed up! Heb. 11:4 "By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh." Do you see...

Lev. 4:26 "And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him." Behold, what is the difference in sin being forgiven then and now? Were they any less...

And you are no more saved than they were, being as though you only have a down payment on your salvation as Paul told us. But there's no reasoning with you! You know my answer to that question, it keeps us saved by faith that we must maintain. Now act like you didn't know I would say that!

Different types of salvation, OK, I got that Behold! Since there is no reasoning with you on this or anything else, I'll let you have your thread back. I've made my points and finished with it!

Now you're playing your silly little games with "The blood of Jesus is "error." I'm not avoiding your question and you know where I stand on it! You're the one who can't explain how the Hebrews were saved and how they couldn't enter into His rest.

You're asking me to stop pointing out error in the Word of God. Sorry, can't do that!

I've noticed that about you Behold, if someone disagrees with you, there's no, but we are still brothers in Christ about it. You have a different twist to that, they are not saved at all, are they Behold?

No, I'm afraid not Behold! They were saved the exact same way as us, by faith in the Blood of the Lamb. You are in Sunday School now my friend!

I'm talking about them looking forward to the blood sacrifice and us looking back at it. I guess you missed that Sunday School Class.

I've already thought about it and know you don't know what you are talking about! I also now know why all the confusing posts from you in the OSAS thread!