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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Does this mean you are basically Postmil?? Does this mean you think Christ won't bodily return until at least sometime around or after 3064 AD? Per my view which might not be per your view, is basically this. Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    How do you see that working out, for example, if there is also another preacher called unto prophecy bent for 40 years, except this preacher is concluding post trib not pretrib? Now all of a sudden years of experience is not that relevant after all. Because if things like that prove things...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    and so shall we ever be with the Lord(meaning the dead in Christ that rise first and those still alive and remaining when He returns)1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. Can you show how your view does not contradict this part--and so shall we ever be with the Lord? Ever is a long time, it literally means...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    I agree but not necessarily for the same reasons. Even if the transfiguration were to have happened that same day Matt 16:24-28 is involving, I still wouldn't conclude it is linked in any way. According to the Jews at the time, meaning in another passage, they said Christ said that those that...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    No, that is not my position. I am arguing that for a Gentile to be graffed into the good olive tree equals saved. Therefore. just like Jews that were cutoff from the good olive tree equals no salvation for them, the same is true for when and if it happens to a Gentile. The Jews have an apparent...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Duplicity refers to dishonest behavior, particularly acting in bad faith and pretending to have one set of intentions while acting under the influence of another. It implies a hidden agenda or double-dealing, with a contradictory doubleness of thought, speech, or action. Essentially, it means...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Per your view who else do you have rising from the dead at the beginning of the millennium? Keeping in mind that Revelation 20 only has two groups rising from the dead. The first group, those that have part in the first resurrection, these rise at the beginning of the millennium. The 2nd group...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    IOW, you fully know that if you address that post which trumps anything that you have submitted that supposedly proves only OSAS is Biblical, that this will expose you as fully intellectually dishonest. Maybe you are pulling the wool over some eyes in here with your trickery, you not pulling the...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Yes to 1 and 2. Yes to 3. This per Premil though. 3 would not be applicable to Amils while 1 and 2 would be applicable to both Premil and Amil. As to 3, what point are you trying to make here? Keeping in mind, that the rest of the dead don't live again until the thousand years expire. Which...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Prove to the rest of us you are being intellectually honest here in light of the following. Since you want to use the book of Romans to prove your point, I will do the same. Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    What's in question, what is meant by the first resurrection in Revelation 20 and who is it being applied to in Revelation 20? If we view the first resurrection as a 'type' of resurrection, it can involve Christ's resurrection and still mean in Revelation 20 the bodily resurrection of the saints...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    What you need to be asking yourself, does your position agree or disagree with Revelation 20:6? That verse says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, they are blessed and holy. That verse equally says every single person that has part in the first resurrection, the 2nd...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    That is exactly what I was thinking as well when I read that post of his you are addressing here. He insists NOSAS is his position but then contradicts NOSAS by using 1 John 5:3 to apparently prove OSAS. I'm not convinced he even fully understands the NOSAS position to begin with, the fact he...
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Come on, context, it's about context determining how to understand something. Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6...
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    God Interprets His Scripture

    Which could make John one of the 2Ws, could it not? After all, it's not like the 2Ws are not prophesying in Revelation 11. As a matter of fact they are the only ones prophesying in Revelation 11. Revelation 11:3 ¶And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand...
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    None of that matters since prince of the kings of the earth is only being applied to the saved.
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    I can't make heads or tails out of how you are interpreting this parable? You are going on about--" This is teaching about the approaching day of reckoning for man. It all concludes at the coming of Jesus Christ. This is when the righteous are rewarded and the wicked are punished. It is the...
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    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Isn't context important to Amils, such as yourself? Do you not see in Revelation that the kings of earth meant in Revelation 1:5 are not meaning the same kings of the earth meant in Revelation 6:15, Revelation 16:14, Revelation 17:2, Revelation 17:18, Revelation 18:3, Revelation 18:9, and...
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    Rev 3.10 PreTrib or PostTrib

    For example. The NT says this. Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. The OT says this. Zechariah 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the...
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    Rev 3.10 PreTrib or PostTrib

    Explain why I would be wrong about some or all of the following? A) Great tribulation and the wrath of God are not the same thing. B) Great tribulation and the great wrath of satan are the same thing. C) The DOTL and great tribulation are not the same thing. D) The DOTL and the wrath of...