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Well taken, yes it is backwards. I knew you wouldn't answer, and I know you will never admit that it's backwards because your pride will never let you be wrong. But here we go...... It is common practice and logical to ask WHY the former teaching (of anything) is being rejected and the new...

No, no no no..... That's not true Ferris. The true Church is NOT the "sum total of all genuine believers". But let's put your opinion to the test: Scripture says when my brother sins against me I am to go get 2-3 other brothers and try to convince him he is wrong. If he STILL refuses to listen...

Thanks for the clarification Ferris. Looks like I misunderstood you. I apologize. The reason I misunderstood your opinion is because you said, "it's you, your Bible, your God given discernment by the Holy Spirit, and your fellowship with others with like attitude". My entire point of post #67...

I do like Fulton Sheen....

Ummmm..... You have it backwards Taken. The teaching that Mary is a perpetual virgin has been taught by The Church since the beginning. It was the first teaching of Christianity. The teaching that Mary had other children took hold 500 years ago AFTER the Protestant Revolution. So the real...

Oh....I see. You like Jerome when he says things YOU believe but when he says things you don't believe he is put on the "ignore" list. Jerome is only right when you say he is right. :rolleyes: And you only "use the teachings of church fathers" when THEY agree with Scriptures. Translation...

You crack me up kiddo....

OK....I will help you figure it out: The American National Catholic Church (ANCC) is an independent Catholic church established in 2009[2] as a self-governing entity. It is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church,..... The Ecumenical Catholic Church (ECC) is a small Christian...

Those denominations listed under your "Catholic" heading are not Catholic. Do some research kiddo....

Lol....I called it....You met my expectations. THANK YOU!!!

Thanks Ferris. Here is where you and your Protestant friends go wrong. Scripture makes it clear there IS a centralized church authority: Jesus said he will build a Church (“I will build My Church”) His choice of Peter as the foundation, or head, of this Church Christ confers on Peter his own...

Hey John Paul, I wonder what would happen if a "church" advertised that they are welcoming of all adulterers, and you are allowed to bring the person you are having the adulteress affair with to the church services? Who would openly attend that? And would there be a public outcry? Mary

Whoa, hold on there! Certainly, you realize that once a 'local' Catholic church breaks away from The Catholic Church.....they are no longer Catholic? They then become Protestant since they are in "protest". The Catholic Church still remains singular. It didn't all of a sudden become plural...

I don't understand your metaphor......sooooo are you going to explain it????? Patient Mary

Thanks. I thinks its fair to say that Jerome believes that bishops and presbyters are one in the same office and that traditionally the reason why some bishops were elevated above others was to avoid schism. I think Jerome also recognizes what Scripture says about tradition: 2 Thessalonians...

You got it backwards marksman. The Catholic Church was teaching doctrine/dogma/truth etc before the Protestant churches came up with their multiple different doctrine's/dogmas/truth etc. Sooooo it is you protestants who, for the last 500 years, have railed against and criticize the teachings of...

Lol...hold on....HOLD ON Amigo!!! Here is what the passage we are debating says: “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” And YOU twist that into 'Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried...

You did mention purgatory....Thank you.

I already said that kiddo.......Rember? Post #170: I think I'm done with you wrangler..

And their is "unity" between Gods word and what you preach???? Hmmmmm.......