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    When did the devil first rebel against God?

    And now we have Christians disagreeing about something that really does not matter....
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    The air we breath

    -- How can you with a straight face say that? I read through the rest of your stuff. You seem to think that volume = value, but you are wrong. First and foremost you have to admit that the Holy Spirit is God: This is from "ScriptureCatholic" http://www.scripture...oly_spirit.html The Holy...
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    The air we breath

    I read everything you said and then read it again to ensure I didn't miss anything. You are not saying anything that supports your position. You are giving a blizzard of worthless, unsubstantiated claims that fall apart when you realize what Jesus actually said at the last supper, what He said...
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    The state of the church

    I have not only read what Catholics believe, I have lived it. You minimize who the Holy Spirit is and fail to accept the fact that the Holy Spirit living inside is GOD living inside you. And if God is living inside you, directing, instructing. guiding, loving, then there is no need to eat...
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    When did the devil first rebel against God?

    Why does this matter? What positive would anyone gain from this discussion? Maybe if you shared what you hoped to learn and the benefit of learning it.... .
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    The air we breath

    Wow.... The only way you could be more wrong is if you were doing it intentionally. But even minimizing the Holy Spirit's role to the level you give it, the fact that the Holy Spirit is currently dwelling in millions of Christians today who have never set foot inside a Catholic church or taken...
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    The state of the church

    Not sure how that addresses what I said, so I will give you another opportunity. You posted the scripture: So Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has...
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    The air we breath

    You are now starting to be silly. Are you saying that heartfelt followers of Jesus who have led and are leading people to Christ, prophecied, healed the sick, cast out demons, etc. and NOT using God's power and authority? So the Holy Spirit inside non-Catholics DOESN'T give them authority to...
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    The state of the church

    -- You seem to miss an important point. Accepting the scripture the way you interpret means says that anyone who does not eat Jesus via the Catholic church "has no life in them." That means that the millions of Christians that have lived between the time that Jesus walked the earth and today...
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    The state of the church

    Sorry Aspen, but not agreeing is not the same thing as arguing. What your peddling isn't the truth. It is opinion you are trying to pass off as fact by pointing to other opinion. Jesus said He was leaving but he was giving us another. The Holy Spirit. God inside you. You don't need to...
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    The state of the church

    -- During that time the Catholic church also believed that the earth was flat, that earth was the center of the universe, sold indulgences, had multiple corrupt Popes, felt it was appropriate to burn witches and imprison and torture 'heretics' to get them to confess, etc. etc. etc. I don't...
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    The air we breath

    -- God gave His "power and authority" to ALL who become Christians and allow the Holy Spirit to move boldly within them. They are drawing people to Christ, feeding the poor, clothing the naked, visiting the lonely, prophesying, healing.....fulfilling what God called them to do. And no, a...
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    The state of the church

    -- Not re-sacrificing? Catholics base the concept on Christ's words at the Last Supper. "And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me." - 1 Cor. 11:24 KJV If it is the real body and blood of Christ (which...
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    The state of the church

    -- Really? http://www.catholics...s-eucharist.php "The Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence is the belief that Jesus Christ is literally, not symbolically, present in the Holy Eucharist—body, blood, soul and divinity. Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist because...
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    Homosexuality

    We have been through this topic several times here, Stan. People like Aspen feel that if you speak out against gay marraige, you are "singling them out." He then demands to know why you feel that sin is worse than other sin. He has been told and shown time and again that homosexual activity in...
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    The state of the church

    -- Jesus being born of a virgin and Jesus performing miracles were not only predicted in the Old Test. but documented in the New Test. And where did it say in the Bible His actual body would be re-created several times every single day all around the world, thus voiding the fact that He needed...
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    The state of the church

    - Yup. Pretty much. The most egregious is the claim that every time the Priest prays over the bread it becomes the actual body and blood of Jesus. He said "do this in rememberance of me," not "do this and it will physically become me." Scientific proof that it never happens aside, the biggest...
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    Books That Didn't Make It Into The Bible

    Oh for cute. You think you said something of value...lol
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    The state of the church

    -- He also said that "the gates of hell would not prevail against it." It appears then that is not the case.
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    The state of the church

    -- Or Catholic. Looks like he was more about people following Him more than people following a specific denomination.