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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    You conveniently avoided the FACT that the Hebrew word used as "forever" in Jonah 2:6, IS the same word used in Daniel 12:2, (Matt 25:46) "everlasting". The word is "olam", and its Greek counterpart "aion". These words do not mean "eternal", as we've been taught. In fact, the ONLY time the Greek...
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    No body is saying that faith isn't necessary? IT IS VERY NECESSARY!!! But it is "NOT of yourselves", it is given, as a gift, to us by the grace of God. Can it be any clearer?
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    we are not Gods equal partners, we are his servants(slaves). Eph 2:8-9, BY GRACE we are saved, through faith THAT IS NOT OF YOURSELVES but is a gift from GOD. I cant believe my ears, you people are actually crediting yourselves for your salvation. Boast much?
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    Sorry to rain on your parade, lukethreesix. This whole theory of total depravity is born out of false humility. In its attempt to give God all the credit, it fails to acknowledge His demand that we humble ourselves. - williemac "an attempt to give God all the credit"? Are you suggesting He...
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    you guys have laid the burden of salvation upon man. salvation is of God (His doing), not mans. The reason Christ bore the burden is because if left up to man no one would ever be saved. this is what the Pharisees did, give people a list of things THEY NEED TO DO before God can save them. GOD...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Jonah 2:6, says he was there "forever"? The Hebrew is "Olam" same word translated "everlasting" (Daniel 12:2). Please explain Jonah being EVERLASTINGLY in Sheol for 3 days? Any bible will refer this Daniel passage to Matt 25:46. What if everlasting and forever actually DON'T mean what we've...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Gabriel tells us Jesus saves us from our sin, (not Gods torture chamber). - Matt 1:21 Paul tells us that Jesus saves us from this evil age, here and now (not Gods torture device). - Gal 1:4 I would love someone to explain Jonah chapter 2 (above post)....
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    "no one seeks God, no not one" "mans heart is deceitful above all things" "you dont choose me, I choose you" " you are saved BY grace through faith that is NOT of yourselves but it IS A GIFT from God." We are dead (spiritually) without Christ. a dead person can not repent. a dead person can not...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Maybe I'm moving too fast...let me slow it down: Let's take a look at "hell", and "forever". Is hell a place of fire and torment or a place of correction and repentance? Jonah chapter 2 (KJV), verse 2: afflicted in HELL! And he is there FOREVER! Question: is a hell a fire of torture or a place...
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    Is faith a gift from God or is it something we must conjure up within our totally depraved souls?
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Maybe I'm moving too fast...let me slow it down: Let's take a look at "hell", and "forever". Is hell a place of fire and torment or a place of correction and repentance? Jonah chapter 2 (KJV), verse 2: afflicted in HELL! And he is there FOREVER! Question: is a hell a fire of torture or a place...
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    Faith in Christ or Faith in our faith.

    Please watch this video and discuss....Faith is a gift, given to us by God when He decides to give it. Are we saved by Christ and his work on the cross, or are we saved by our own will power to believe? Great video, enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1zXb8XNsLw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    I never said everyone IS saved, its not "automatic", nor did I say unbelievers are saved. What I am saying is: this age (life, world) is not the only one. There are ages to come, and the gospel will be preached in those too. Only a few are saved in this life (but all in his own turn, 1 Cor 15 +...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Wow! Very disturbing response Dan. God "doesn't want unrepentant sinners"? "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for the ungodly"! Conditional? Oh Dan, stop trying to "get into heaven", there is nothing you can do. I know how terrible it is to live under such "conditions". Always wondering...
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    God Died on the Cross

    Amen Harry, even the reign of Christ will come to an end, when he (Christ) has brought all things (Including himself subject to God) and God will finally be all in ALL.
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    The Garden or the Cross

    Quantrill, do you honestly think you are saved because YOU were a little smarter, or a bit less stubborn or wicked than the next guy? You are saved because of what you have done? Sorry dude, God at some point knocked you off your horse, as he did Paul. He just hasn't knocked everyone off their...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Its shocking that you all believe that God is not in total control of his universe. That GOD can not get what he wants? A God that settles. A God who tries, but can't quite succeed. A God with a will, but a will not quite as strong as the will of his creation, who is dependent upon his creation...
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    The Garden or the Cross

    Isaiah 45:7, "I create evil" - God
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Yes, I agree we choose to follow Him, but there is no time limit. Gods salvation is long-suffering. Peter tells us a 1,000 years is like a day, how can a mans few years in this life be considered long-suffering? Paul tells us in Eph 1, that in the fullness of the times (at the end of the ages)...
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    1 Tim 4:10, A Special Salvation for Believers?

    Angelina, I never said there was no need of a transformation? And its God children whom He chastens. Read the entire old Testament its full of God chastening His children. Dan, if a firefighter rushes into a burning building "hoping" to save everyone but can only get a few, can you say he is the...