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  1. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Humans have no need to wear clothes in hot climates. Our earliest ancestors originated in Africa at a time when that region was emerging from a long drought. The Boxgrove cite in southern England, dated to 500,000 years ago, has lots of beautifully fashioned stone hand axes, with abundant...
  2. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Certainly-- just as one can experience dreams, hallucinations, colors, physical sensations, religious revelations... Maybe my notion of "experience" is more broad than yours.
  3. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Thanks for giving a direct and non-dismissive answer to my question. You: I would agree that some religions are compatible with science, but decidedly not all. You: The appearance of Homo sapiens is found in specific portions of the fossil record, just as are fossils of trilobites, ferns...
  4. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    I was asking not about your interpretation of the story of the creation. I was asking about your interpretation of the table I presented which shows that there is absolutely no correspondence between the story of the creation in the Bible and the actual known facts of creation as developed by...
  5. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    My handle on this forum is the.reverent.atheist. I have written a book, available on Amazon, that describes my personal thoughts about religion. The title is "The Reverent Atheist," by David S. Moore. Here's a link to my blog: David S. Moore: Insights & Innovations And thanks for the...
  6. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Here's the NSRVue's description of the Second Day: One key word in the above is "dome." Why would God create a dome shaped atmosphere over a spherical earth? Answer: He wouldn't. He would only create a dome shaped atmosphere over a flat earth. And that's what the author believed. The idea that...
  7. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    More info on the interpretation of Genesis 1:8: King James version: New Catholic Bible: Revised Standard Version: New International Version: So it would appear that it is the NIV that is the outlier. But consider the following, from the New Revised Standard Version, Updated Edition...
  8. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    @Illuminator said: Psalm 93:1 says: If I understand your point about phenomenological language correctly the above reflects the perspective of persons living on earth. From the point of view of a person standing on the surface of the earth, there is no wind blowing constantly in one...
  9. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Those are all valid observations. I won't press the point further. My interpretation of the first paragraph-- that it is an introduction, not a description of events that occurred prior to Day 1-- is unchanged. But you are entitled to your own interpretation.
  10. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    I hardly know where to being in responding to the above. You have turned most of what I said upside down. Here's one of your comments: That's true-- I made no attempt whatsoever to explain how the preexisting matter appeared. I was merely commenting on what the author actually said. It is the...
  11. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    I take it that you are using the New International Version. Here's how the Revised Standard Version has it: And God called the firmament Heaven. (Genesis 1:8, RSV) You should be aware that the New International Version was commissioned by the Evangelical churches of America as a reaction to...
  12. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    @Illuminator said: I'm not the one making that claim. The author of the story made it, not me. As I said in several previous postings on this thread the idea that the universe was created from preexisting matter was common throughout the ancient world. Where did the preexisting matter come...
  13. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Yes, I agree with the statement you cited of Cardinal Ratzinger. The story of the creation is myth, not fact. In my original posting (#834 on this thread) I cited what the Catholic Catechism has to say about the creation: We believe that God needs no pre-existent thing or any help in order to...
  14. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    I believe that I have already answered all your questions in earlier posts. I have stated my reading of the story as clearly as I can, and others on this thread appear to have understood what I mean. But just to summarize what I already said-- several times-- I'll answer each of your questions...
  15. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    The author of the creation fairy tale clearly cared greatly about the sequence of statements in his story as he went to the trouble of enumerating each of the days of the creation. Each day of the story has clear boundary markers. Each begins with "And God said...", and each ends with "And there...
  16. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Okay, I now see that my mistake was in not explicitly citing the second sentence of the Bible: The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the the [sic] face of the waters. (Genesis 1:2, RSV) That sentence describes the...
  17. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    Here's what I said: That paragraph makes it clear that the substance of the earth and the waters both existed before God began the act of creation by saying "Let there be light." But that would mean that the God of the Bible did not create those material substances. And that would mean that the...
  18. the.reverent.atheist

    If atheists get accused of taking verses out of context, how do we know fundamentalists making those accusations aren’t doing the same as well?

    As I explained in my posting #824, the first paragraph of the Bible clearly states that God did not create the material substances of the earth or the waters, since both of those substances existed before God began the act of creation by saying "Let there be light." If God (i.e. Yahweh) did not...