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You're free to believe that I suppose. But for the purpose of conversation, perhaps you could address the passages in scripture that show that on our own we are hopeless, sinful and dead. Perhaps you could explain, if we could 'do it ourselves' why Christ had to come, and after him, why it was...

And just how is a verse discussing the difference between brutal human rulers and of the Lords quiet, loving servant (Christ) supposed to impact on my "Understanding of Truth". Sure, everything that Christ said, did or commands is centre of my life and understanding, that's a given. But again...

Verly Nicely said! I'm unsure if we actually disagree here, or if my clumsy attempt to explain something has led to a misunderstanding. So let me try again to explain what I believe the bible says about 'faith' and salvation...or conversion. I believe the bible teaches that for an unregenerate...

Okay....as Dodo has been saying...only God truly knows a persons heart, and whether it has been regenerated or not. A pastor works on what people tell him. If a person tells him he "accepts Christ as Saviour and believes" then...not being God, the pastor has to believe him. On years of...

I understand it just fine. I don't agree with all of it, but I understand it. But the question remains....do you have a point to any of it....or is this just your soap box...a platform to preach your ideas?

Tom55....I have zero problem with calling something like it is....we all know Jesus did. And often it is necessary when defending the faith and truth...to take a stand and budge not an inch. The problem I have with online behaviour, is that it is so difficult to discern truth from lie....not...

Desiring God, by John Piper Only a chapter in, but very good so far...very edifying

Pffft! Don't you love it when people stuff up words like that!? I do...just not when it's me!

Firstly, thanks for taking the time to reply...and if I did indeed miss those passages before, then I appreciate you repeating them for me. Now...as to these 1 John passages. I'm afraid I cannot see how the link to the assurance eternal salvation, or the lack of it. Bear with me a minute: If...

At first glance you would definitely say that sounded dodgy....until you think it through. How many people do you know that have been swept up in the emotion of an 'alter call', and gone up, said the prayer...then never gone back to church? I know many. Hec....I even know many people who have...

Wait...so because I have trouble understanding the point you're trying to make, I don't have the Holy Spirit?? The Holy Spirit leads us in discernment when it comes to things of God or things that are not of God....He does not function as a 'translator' because someones manner of speaking is...

I'm sorry...but do you think you could whittle your point down to a single paragraph, and perhaps phrase it in a way that makes a person seriously consider it, rather than think that perhaps you might have been sipping the 'conspiracy' cool aid a little too much? I'm not meaning to be...

Well see....this was the point I was trying to make. You say that you "don't think we treat the warning scripture any way special more than the assurance passages." Which is all well and good....we must treat all scripture as equal...as it is. My problem comes when you say that you take the...

Um....wasn't AA formed by Christians? I had always understood it had, and that the 'higher power' was God. Clearly that didn't 'interpret' well for the many, many people who were not Christian and still needed help. And the bible itself says that we are to acknowledge the we are 'under', to a...

Ok....here is one problem I have with what you guys are saying. It seems to me that you are saying that we must place the "warning" passages over the passages that speak of assurance (and they do exist). But I have trouble accepting such arguements. It's not biblically sound to dismiss such...

A lot of churches now have 'redemption' groups...specifically designed to help those with addiction or perhaps to help overcome abuse in their lives. I think it's a wonderful thing and should be adopted by all Churches. Being saved does not mean that we are instantly released from these...

I have not had time to read all posts on this thread...so forgive me if I'm regurgitating stuff again.... But I wonder.....have any of you considered that the reason so many Christians believe is OSAS is because of the very nature of our God? We know our God to be all powerful. We know that He...

Sweet, thanks!

Wow....being an organised soul that impresses me! I fear I have nothing so remarkable in my bible study. I tend to highlight passages that I either think is 'precious', or that I feel are speaking to me. But now...hmmmm, colour coding....certianly worth thinking about...could be very handy when...

I am very much afraid that this thread is turning in to a mud slinging match. It appears that on one side we have those who feel it is okay to scoff at someone's pain (regardless of what you feel is legitamate in Hopeless' story, it is clear he is in pain, and if you cannot respond to him by...