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ATP, It is useless or meaningless to argue the way we are doing. We are not budging in our position. I have said more than enough. I am not respond to yours in this regard. YOur position is OSAS or grace only or faith only, mine is faith without deeds is dead. We just have to wait what...

I accept your opinion, good day.

The Ten is both Moses and Jesus law. Jesus summarized the ten in two; love God and love one another. Jesus explained how to love God and love one another in great detail in His gospels. Jesus upgraded moral law. E.g., Jesus says to love your enemy. Moses says "eye for eye".

And you still cannot see the difference between Jesus' law and Moses' law? James says it simply and clearly, faith without deeds is dead. Dead faith cannot save you, friend.

Yes, that's what Jesus says in many ways.

Moses' law is ceremonial, sin offering and many, many laws. Have your read book of Deuteronomy? Jesus' law is mostly about the Ten commands. And He explained it in detail how we love God and love one another in His Gospels, mostly in sermon on the mount.

Just because it is in the Bible does not mean it is worth practicing. Many sinful practices are recorded too. We need to discern what is of God or not by knowing what God is all about. All good and bad examples are there for us to learn to practice what is godly. blessings.

If you believe grace means to get away without being faithful to Jesus, good luck with that. Jesus hates hypocrisy.

ATP, I know you will not accept those verses. good day.

what is your point? thank you.

Faith only or grace only believers are disregarding those verses.

Here are the verses to support my claim: 1. John 14:15 ◦New King James Version “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 2. John 14:21 ◦New King James Version He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and...

God loves those who does His will or obey Him through Jesus Christ.

Yes.

I believe Martin Luther introduced OSAS concept and John Calvin established it. It seems that protestants did not go far from their mother church, in fact, they seem to went backward.

Jesus says if you love Me, keep my commands. This is not a suggestion. Without loving Jesus, there is no salvation. You continually dismiss Jesus' own word. There are tons of Jesus' word you are disregarding. That's how it goes with man-made doctrines.

I don't think discussion is going on in the forums. It is very rare, unless you want to learn from other Christians. I think most of us already made up our mind about our faith. We can learn from the Bible instead of other Christians. It is direct teaching from the Lord. At least it is this...