Keeping Jesus' commanads is requirement for salvation

[Joyful]

Here are the verses to support my claim:

1. John 14:15
◦New King James Version
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

2. John 14:21
◦New King James Version
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

3. John 15:10
◦New King James Version
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

4. 1 John 2:3
◦New King James Version
The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

5. 1 John 2:4
◦New King James Version
He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

6. 1 John 3:22
◦New King James Version
And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

7. 1 John 3:24
◦New King James Version
The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

8. 1 John 5:2
◦New King James Version
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

9. 1 John 5:3
◦New King James Version
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

10. Revelation 12:17
◦New King James Version
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

11. Revelation 14:12
◦New King James Version
Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


And here is confirmation from Jesus of keeping Ten commandments as requirement.

Matthew 19:16-19
New International Version (NIV)
16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” 17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.
Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’

Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

 

[Joyful]

Faith only or grace only believers are disregarding those verses.

 

[Angelina]

Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[ATP]

When you compare scripture you always wanna ask yourself, "is God contradictory"? Would God say all you need to do is believe and you have eternal life, and then do a 180 and say no if you sin you will lose your salvation"? God is perfect, and contradiction is against God's character. In Matt 19:17 NIV, This Christ said, in order to show, that it is impossible to enter into, or obtain eternal life by the works of the law, since no man can perfectly keep it; and to unhinge this man from off the legal foundation on which he was, that he might drop all his dependencies on doing good things, and come to him for righteousness and life. It all goes back to what Jesus accomplished on the cross. Are we trusting in Him or our own works to get us into heaven....

John 3:14-15 NIV Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.

John 3:16 NIV For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:24 NIV “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:40 NIV For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

John 6:47 NIV I tell you the truth, he who believes has everlasting life.

Acts 13:46-48 NIV Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: "We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' " 48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

1 John 5:13-14 NIV I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence we have in approaching God:

 

[Joyful]

Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

what is your point?

thank you.
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[Joyful]

ATP,

I know you will not accept those verses.

good day.

 

[Angelina]

Salvation is believing by faith that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead and that he sits on the right hand of God interceding on our behalf. Matthew 3:4, 5,6, Acts 2:38, Ephesians 2:8. Romans 10:9, 10, 1 John 1:9

If salvation was based on keeping the commands of God then we would have no need for another covenant and Jesus would have died for nothing. Salvation is a free gift given to those who believe in him by grace through faith.

Ephesians 2
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Blessings

 

[ATP]

ATP,

I know you will not accept those verses.

good day.

1. John 14:15 has nothing to do with salvation, and is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law.

2. John 14:21 has nothing to do with salvation, and is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law.

3. John 15:1-17 NIV is an allegory, and if you knew what an allegory was you wouldn't of added it to your list.

4-9. 1 John 2:3-4, 1 John 2:4, 1 John 3:22, 1 John 3:24, 1 John 5:2, 1 John 5:3, is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law.

10. Revelation 12:17 is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law.

11. Revelation 14:12, Rev 22:14 is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John never uses "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law.

You have taken every single one of these passages out of context because you're following a false doctrine of works salvation. The NT works off of Grace Salvation, not works. In the NT Jesus already died and had been resurrected, thus pouring out His Grace and Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Carefully read the passages below...

Zech 12:10 NIV "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Matt 5:17 NIV “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matt 26:28 NIV This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

John 1:16-17 NIV Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

Rom 6:14 NIV For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.

1 Cor 9:20-21 NIV To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law.

2 Cor 1:12 NIV Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, with integrity and godly sincerity. We have done so, relying not on worldly wisdom but on God’s grace.

Gal 3:24-25 NIV So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Gal 5:1-6 NIV It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Eph 2:7-9 NIV in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus. 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

Heb 7:18-19 NIV The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19(for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Heb 7:22 NIV Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

Heb 9:11-28 NIV - The Blood of Christ. Please read all.

Heb 10:1 NIV The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship.

 

[Joyful]

If salvation was based on keeping the commands of God then we would have no need for another covenant and Jesus would have died for nothing. Salvation is a free gift given to those who believe in him by grace through faith.

That's not what Jesus said as it is written.

 

[ATP]

If salvation was based on keeping the commands of God then we would have no need for another covenant and Jesus would have died for nothing. Salvation is a free gift given to those who believe in him by grace through faith.

That's not what Jesus said as it is written.

The NT is not referring to the commandments of men or the law. It is about the injunctions of faith, love, and obedience. John and the other apostles never use "the law" to express the rule of Christian obedience: he uses it as the Mosaic law. The NT works off of Grace Salvation, not works. In the NT Jesus already died and had been resurrected, thus pouring out His Grace and Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

 

[Bibliocentrist]

026:005 because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
[This was before Moses.]

001:005 ...with those who love him and keep his commandments:

005:019 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.

015:006 he shall not honor his father or mother.' You have made the commandment of God void because of your tradition.

010:019 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder,' 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not give false testimony,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and mother.'"
018:020 You know the commandments: 'Don't commit adultery,' 'Don't murder,' 'Don't steal,' 'Don't give false testimony,' 'Honor your father and your mother.'"
[Not sure why Jesus didn't mention the sabbath one.]

013:034 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just like I have loved you; that you also love one another.
015:012 "This is my commandment, that you love one another, even as I have loved you.


013:009 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet,"{TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"} and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

014:037 If any man thinks himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him recognize the things which I write to you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

002:007 Brothers, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning.
002:008 Again, I write a new commandment to you,

003:023 This is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he commanded.
003:024 He who keeps his commandments remains in him, and he in him.

004:021 This commandment we have from him, that he who loves God [Lord] should also love his brother [neighbour].
[We humans are all brothers like Cain and Abel (John 1(-2)).]

005:003 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.

001:005 Now I beg you, dear lady, not as though I wrote to you a new commandment, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.

001:027 Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

+ exodus 13:9

 

[mjrhealth]

That's not what Jesus said as it is written.

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

In all His Love

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Romans 6:15
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

what is the sin penalty in the NT ?

do we get punished ?

How about chastisement ? for being bad

How bad can it get under grace ?

 

[mjrhealth]

Further to the discussion,

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Why??

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

1Co_13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co_13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co_13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Rom_9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

In all His Love

 

[Joyful]

If you believe grace means to get away without being faithful to Jesus, good luck with that.

Jesus hates hypocrisy.

 

[ATP]

If you believe grace means to get away without being faithful to Jesus, good luck with that.

Jesus hates hypocrisy.

Do we get away with sin? No, rather Christ disciplines and convicts his children. Heb 12:4-13 NIV, John 16:8-11 NIV.

 

[Angelina]

If salvation was based on keeping the commands of God then we would have no need for another covenant and Jesus would have died for nothing. Salvation is a free gift given to those who believe in him by grace through faith.

That's not what Jesus said as it is written.

Joyful,

I am using commonsense/logic here. The O/T believers under the Law of Moses could not keep the commandments and neither could we.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Bless you!

 

[Bible_Gazer]

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Eph 6:2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise

1Tim 1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and [of] a good conscience, and [of] faith unfeigned:

1Tim 6:14 That thou keep [this] commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Pet 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pet 3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

1Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

1The 4:1-12 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

Reve 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Reve 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Seem to me we have to be wise and be doer of faith.

 

[Joyful]

Joyful,

I am using commonsense/logic here. The O/T believers under the Law of Moses could not keep the commandments and neither could we.

We are talking about Jesus' law, not Moses law. There is a huge difference.

blessings.

 

[Angelina]

Tell me what the difference is here? How is it that the O/T believers could not keep the commands yet the N/T believers can. Is it by works that they keep the commands of God or by faith? :huh: