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Hi, Dan! Long time no see! :waves: Believe me when I say, DC's sole purpose for being here is to serve as the Howard Stern of CyB. He loves nothing better than to see anyone who doesn't belong to his "Whole Counsel Of God" (yeah, I know it's in the Bible) Lone Ranger religious club...

I understand why you might see the Fourth Commandment as different from, say, 'You shall not murder' or 'You shall not steal,' which have more immediately obvious social harm when broken. Some see the Sabbath as purely ceremonial. However, from my perspective, the Fourth Commandment is deeply...

It's incredibly telling that no one will accuse you of "falling from grace" if you start a thread about the evils of paganism, idolatry, profanity, abuse of parents, murder, theft, adultery, false witness, or covetousness. I've done the experiment right here. You get to the 4th commandment: No...

Is that why God, throughout the Old Testament, is constantly talking about the condition of people's hearts and how they need to turn them back to Him? I get it. People don't like to be told what to do or not do. I didn't like it when my grandmother wouldn't let me cut her lawn on Sundays...

I get it. You're actually trolling me. Have it your way. That's a neat trick, btw. I don't participate anywhere but here.

I'm not seeing anything going backward in this line of our discussion about Sabbath-keeping. Why bring it up in this context? .

So are you telling me that a certain amount of sin is acceptable to God? How much, exactly? Do you now offer your own pronouncement in opposition to 1 John 2:7? Keeping the commandments "perfectly"—yet another convention of man that simply didn't exist a few decades ago. The word "perfect"...

Exactly what does the very New Covenant promise of writing God's law on the heart of man mean to you? Salvation by works?

Perhaps this is a radical view of the situation, but I was thinking of proceeding at least somewhat as I have for nearly six years before you arrived less than a month ago to inform us all as to how things should be. I don't mean to be unkind, but aren't you presuming just a bit?

Do you make any distinction between the theory of dynamic inspiration of the Bible and the various extremes such as verbal plenary/dictation theory, biblical infallibility, etc.? The view I personally hold is dynamic (i.e., the writers' thoughts were inspired, but the expression, while...

Okay, "Us And Those," if you prefer accuracy.

I'm not here to play "Us And Them." I'm here for nuanced, meaningful discussion about faith in a personal Christ. Indeed

My pleasure—I'm not like the government; I'm here to help. ;-) Well, not comprehensive history but perhaps notable in the context of this discussion. strs

As I said in the other part of my post from which you quote here, I have no argument with objections to keeping the moral law as means of merit toward gaining God's favor or redemption—except for the fairly conspicuous fact that no person who should expect to be taken seriously in the discussion...

Okay, that's a really good point about defining "the Law" and how Luke 24:44 fits in. So, when we talk about "the Law" (capital L, the Torah), yes, that's primarily the first five books of Moses. And phrases like "the Law or the Prophets" or "the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms" (like...

Respectfully, in effect, you're simply pitting one passage against another, both by the same author: Consider 1 John 2:7 NKJV — Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the...

Cont'd 5. 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-10 PASSAGE: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor...

SUBSTANTIATING THE CLAIM: THE MORAL LAW (TEN COMMANDMENTS) NOT ABOLISHED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT -------------------------------------------------- I. JESUS'S TEACHINGS ON THE LAW -------------------------------------------------- 1. MATTHEW 5:17-19 (Sermon on the Mount) PASSAGE: "Do not...

The spiritual sabbath argument that is gaining so much ground is really akin to saying it's okay to actually kill someone as long as you don't harbor anger against them without cause. Trouble is, there's no Sabbath iteration of "You have heard it said..., but I tell you..." in The Sermon On The...

I'd like to meet some of these 7th Day Adventitious characters who claim people go to hell for not having church on Saturdays. I thought people only got hellfire for rejecting God's offer to remit their sin. strs