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Be ye perfect!

Amen, and we see this in the New Testament in the book of Ephesians. Ephesians 4:13 KJV Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: So in this book where we have Paul stating...

My conclusion is that when Jesus made the statement to the individual next to him he was already in the bosom of the Father.

Precisely what I’ve been trying to say. There’s a story of these two in Genesis. Abraham being the Father and Eliezer of Damascus the first servant in his house. Abrahams only heir, prior to the gifting of children.

The fact that God was in him reconciling Himself to the world, to me this implies Jesus was already in the bosom/paradise of the Father.

Okay, why Eliezer?

Why do you believe Jesus used these specific names Abraham and Eliezer?

What if Jesus when he made that statement hanging on the cross was already in paradise/the bosom of the Father? Just something to think about

John 1:18 KJV No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John 10:30 KJV I and my Father are one.

According to the apostle John Jesus was already in the bosom of the Father.

I believe it is a story he is telling of himself. The reason being is that in the account in Genesis Lazarus is the first servant in Abrahams house.

I have a few versus for you Luke 16:22 KJV And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; John 1:18 KJV No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath...

I prefer the story told of Lazarus and Abraham in Genesis. When I try and analyze the story told by Jesus in the first century. Looking at it through the information given in Genesis gives me a greater perspective. Since this debate is about time- maybe a good place to begin?

Mark 13:3-4,7 KJV And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, [4] Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? [7] And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours...

You state that Jesus is telling you that you will hear of wars while totally over looking the fact that he’s telling the four disciples that he is having the conversation with, that they will in-fact hear of wars and rumors of wars? How do you turn this into a conversation that he’s having...

In my opinion the scripture declared the trumpets sounded and the walls of that stone building fell, just as in Jericho. They didn’t sound six trumpets and the the last Two thousand years later.

So I’m still uncertain as to what position you hold, did all the trumpets sound or is it yet future?

Why would you assume that the seventh trumpet didn’t sound in the first century?

Genesis 32:30 KJV And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. John 1:18 KJV No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Some one here isn’t telling the truth.