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Thats very interesting, Tim. See, I cant argue with anything youve said there as I dont have the study time you have in on the topic.One question does come to mind, tho.There are those of what I guess you would call 'Judah' (Jews), who have been blinded, who have become believing Christians.How...

(Hope;51616) I think many did not understand Paul. 1 Corinthians 920And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; Romans 11 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid...

At first I thought it to be wrong, At first I thought HyperCalvinism was wrong.And then I spent some time studying the scriptures they offer and found that they have a very convincing case.It took me almost a year to get that false doctrine out of my head. I had to reject it even tho they have...

(tim_from_pa;51558) OK fine. If what I say is not relevant and supposedly dodging the issue, then I guess I have nothing more to say. I'm done and made my points. As far as your studies on the history involved, actually at some later point Id be interested in looking at what youve concluded.My...

Paul was learned, intelligent and very precise. That may be so, but that that doesnt mean that he always had to nitpick words like you seem to be doing. If he did use any word "Jew" for all 12 tribes, then again, what he said must be applicable to both houses and not the example I gave above...

Question: What does you and your mentor think of the tribes being the British and Americans and some of the Europeans? And how about the throne of David? And AGAIN you are dodging the actual issue, Tim.I have NEVER questioned ANY of the history or prophecies you have presented...NOT ONCE and it...

For you readers, bear in mind that my ONLY point is that in many cases in the NT 'JEWS' is simply speaking generically about 'Israel' as a whole, not just a couple tribes.for you readers, here are a few more verses offered as evidence of the point above.What then? are we better than they? No, in...

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I believe I am from the tribe of Joseph for example, and therefore have every God-given right to the land of Israel as the Jewish people do I see.Frankly, I have been wondering for a bit here if this wasnt going to be a factor here.This is a personal issue so I realize its going to be harder to...

(tim_from_pa;51541) Again, a semantics issue. Tim, do you honestly think I expect you to honestly look at ANY evidence given here that will refute your position?Ive seen this same 'semantics' nonsense pulled by others in debates probably 100 times this past month.Its typical to play the...

(tim_from_pa;51527) However, I still am unaware of any scripture that calls all Israelites "Jews". Thats apparently because you dont want to see the evidence for what it is.What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them...

Hi Kriss I never said I dont agree with the prophecies...that seems to be a sticking point where what Im stating is being misunderstood.This isnt about the prophecies or the history, its about the terms used in the NT.Tim has said in his own post here that; All Jews are Israelites (i.e. children...

I think we all know & understand the history involved here, Tim.And the point again is that the terms do not have to be absolutely refering to one or the other.Ill be adding this to the article as one more smaller piece of evidence to refute this error, but Paul says this about the JEWS;What...

(tim_from_pa;51509) So, in a nutshell, you are saying house of Israel and house of Judah are synonymous and have the same fate? That all prophecy to Judah (the Jews) can apply to Israel? I dont remember ADDING that idea to the text. Maybe you should actually pay attention to what IS said instead...

(RichardBurger;51505) The point I am making is that since Jesus came only to the "lost sheep of Israel" He did not come to the Gentiles in the Gentile nations.Richard His not coming TO anyone but the Israel, again, is exactly what was to occur.He came TO His own, His own rejected Him AND His...

(tim_from_pa;51501) FoC:The book Judah's Sceptre /Joseph's birthright explains what Paul was saying, too lengthy to elaborate on a whole book here. But it answers some of your questions regarding Paul differentiating between Judah and Israel. You'd have time to read it I assure you if you spent...

Hmmm.Im thinking eating foods that are high in cholesterol probably cause quite a few deaths a year as well.A little Cholesterol is fine...a lot is not.A little wine is ok as well...drunkeness isnt.There is a multitude of things in this world we can take well beyond any acceptable use....even...

I wanted to start another thread here because the point may be derailing another thread and I dont like doing that to other peoples discussions*MY* point in that thread was that when we see 'Jew' or 'Israel' in the NT that it is many times simply referring to the descendants of the man Jacob...

(tim_from_pa;29562) I heard a million sermons about Esau selling his birthright to Jacob, but most people do not even know what the birthright was nor the significance of it. Yet they preach on something they have little clue as to what it is, as if its no more than a cracker-jack blessing to...

(RichardBurger;51404) From the post, “AN OVERVIEW OF THE BIBLE.”Most Theology and doctrines say that Jesus came to the Gentiles Too, not just to the Jews. But what does Jesus say in the Bible?Let me make it clear that Jesus Christ did not come to minister to the Gentiles, nor was His message...