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(RichardBurger;51475) You have it right. The Jews were called Israelites before the nation split. I think this line of discussion is pointless and should not be on this thread. It only puts up a smoke screen that hides the subject of this thread Richard Well, Im specifically responding to the...

(tim_from_pa;51477) Hey FoC:Tone down a bit lad. Anyone who has to rapid fire several posts at a time must be too hot under the collar. Now that is funny. How about lets not read emotion INTO my post, ok....THAT is what causes problemsMultiple posts have nothing to do with emotional state. It...

Apparently and Israelite and a Jew ARE synonymous in the NT in many cases.http://studies.assembly-ministries.org/vie....php?f=30&t=164Paul shows that he IS a "Jew"; Act 21:39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee...

Heres yet another passage where 'Israel' would tend to be used quite generically.I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart. For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for...

I want to clarify for anyone reading this thread that what Im disputing here ISNT the history of the Israel or its tribes, tho Tim seems to be trying to make it seem as tho I am....I am not arguing that point at all and frankly not even interested in it in the least in this discussion.What *I*...

Israel and Jew are synonymous when the context of the passage shows that they are meant generically.

Heres what I think.I think 'lost sheep' here means SPIRITUALLY lost of Israel, not 'lost' as in 'cant find my car keys'These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep...

Very perplexing...When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. (Act 1:6-7 KJV)Now, if...

How about this TimfromPA.Please detail out EXACTLY what happened (briefly) to the 'house of Israel' and also the 'Jews' (as you see them).Then give us the EXACT state each is in presently as far as being 'saved' or under a covenant with God goes.Its hard to discuss the issue when your viewpoint...

So you see, these "other sheep" was a name for His people---- a Gentile was never part of His people.But when he said "other sheep" that was a reference to the people of Israel as the Old Testament compares the sheep to. Im sorry, but you havent yet proven that case...not even remotely.

As a matter of fact, the disciples were originally clueless that the Gentiles were included until Peter's vision in Acts 10, and the revelation to Paul. That's why there were apostolic councils regarding them. Understand that the bible is a book about Israel. The Gentiles were graphed in like...

The Jews are not from the house of Israel. They are from the house of Judah. Get your bibles straight. This is completely laim as evidence, Tim.They ALL have common descent.I think maybe YOU are the one who needs to get your bible straight When the NT speaks about Jews, are you claiming that its...

Im sorry Tim, I realize this issue isnt really that big a deal and we wont know for sure what Jesus meant exactly by 'other sheep', but Im just not convinced, in agreement with much of the church who has commmented on the matter, that Jesus' words there ARE about the gentiles.Please forgive me...

Lets look at some evidence This is what Jesus saidAnd other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (Joh 10:16 KJV) He has other sheep not of this fold and these will hear His voice and these...

I think thats really misrepresenting scripture Tim.Just because Jesus talks about dogs, does not mean that the other sheep cannot be the gentiles.He Himself performed miracles for NON Jews even AFTER talking about the dogs in your partially quoted passage there, didnt He ?Why didnt you bother to...

Quite obviously Jesus Christ came in the flesh with a specific purpose of coming to His own to be rejected by them.Their stumbling, including rejecting their Messiah, was directly related to the gentiles being included.I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather...

Yet another passage that shows us that water baptism was still practiced.Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ." Has Christ been divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God...

(RichardBurger;51391) I know you are convinced that you are right. That is your right to believe as you think it right. Hi I dont 'think' I am right...I can see for myself, as can anyone who reads those passages, especially the latter one, that WATER baptism WAS practiced after receiving the...

(Learning;51372) So the modern church has taken the water baptism from John when he did it and has ignored all the scriptures about christians being immersed in Jesus Christ. Absolutely.Water baptism is absolutely practiced by believers in the NT and we should follow that example instead of...