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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I asked first, answer mine, then I’ll answer yours. Doesn’t answer my question- does the surrounding context mention the slaughter of gentiles?
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    According to Luke the rewards are related to :“I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him”. Unfortunately, since that’s not the main point of the parable, in Luke, according to the context, the surrounding...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Is there mention of unbelieving gentile slaughter in the surrounding context of Luke 19:11-44?
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    This doesn’t address the surrounding context of the parable in Luke 19
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    The problem with your argument, is that you are ignoring the main point of the parable, which is found in vs 11 and the surrounding context of 28-41. The reason Jesus tells this parable is because the crowd that was following him to Jerusalem, thought that the kingdom was to manifest...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I never said that rewards for believers were not part of the parable. My argument was that the rewards for believers were not the main point of the parable based on the surrounding context, IN LUKE. The main point is clearly stated in vs 11: the kingdom was not to immediately manifest upon his...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    so the context surrounding the parable in Luke 19, doesn’t mention the reason the parable is given is because Jesus’ followers thought the kingdom would manifest immediately? So the context surrounding the parable doesn’t include the Pharisees rejecting Christ as king, and Jesus declaring that...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Address the context of Luke 19, then maybe I’ll look closer at the dozen other verses you posted that weren’t Luke 19
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    That’s not the main point of the parable - see post #123
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    The point of the parable can be found in luke 19:11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, BECAUSE he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. Jesus was on his way to Jerusalem with a crowd. The crowd supposed the...
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    Babylon

    No worries - Dutch last names can often end in an “a”. Edit- my hand is a spin on my last name. I was just asking for clarification to make sure I understood you correctly. You could have simply just said yes or no.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    The enemies that were slayed when the noblemen returns- are the ones from the beginning of the parable, who reject the nobleman PRIOR to him going on a journey.
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    Because the main point of Jesus using the stories of Sodom and the flood isn’t the scope at which unbelievers are killed on a global scale. One story is about a single city and one story is about the flood. The point of the stories is the suddenness of destruction upon those who are oblivious...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I don’t think the main point of the sodom and Noah stories is “kill them all” on a global scale. If that’s what you think, then I would have to ask what verses in Luke 17 set that context for this? I think the context begins in vs 20 and the arrival of the kingdom. So Instead I think the main...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    I'm not questioning the wicked being destroyed and the righteous being saved on the day the son of man is revealed. I'm questioning the scope of your a priori assumption - is jesus' intention globally or locally. Luke 17:30-31 30so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed.31On...
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    All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

    the problem is that this creates a false dichotomy - having only 2 options - survive (righteous) or die (wicked). The presumption assumes this is the 2nd coming and/or is a global event, when in fact neither may be the case.
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    Babylon

    Your posts are sometimes difficult to follow, so I am asking follow up questions to clarify. You appear to have said, in post 426 , the "holy ones" in matthew 25:31 that come with Christ at the separating of the sheep and the goats should be understood as the "asleep saints" based on 1...
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    Babylon

    Are you saying that the angels that do the gathering/separating at the end of the age in the parable of the weeds, the parable of the net, and the olivet disourse are the dead saints that come from heaven with Jesus?
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    Babylon

    You seem to be arguing there are 3 groups in the parable: the brethren who consist of the hungry, poor, naked, and imprisoned The righteous The wicked Is this correct?