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Right. Just because Mathias and Barnabas were sent by the other Apostles, doesn't mean they are of the ones written on the 12 layers of the foundation. Today, we call them missionaries. They are apostles, but do not speak new doctrines God has taught them, like Paul was.

God would have told you. I am not an apostle. But I've been sent. I am a Teacher. Anyone who teaches doctrines of man have not been sent by God. Very few agree with me because I only teach what God has taught me, that most has been lost to first the RCC, then Protestants.

Why do you think there are not 14 layers of foundation in the New Jerusalem with the names of Mathias and Barnabas as well as the 12?

Are you claiming to be an Apostle?

Scott, there are more than 1 office. Epheshian 4:11 "And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ," The 70 were evangelists. Timothy...

How the Bible defines them. They were disciples of Jesus, but leaders in spreading the gospel. Jesus chose them. And they were given to Jesus by the Father. Do you believe John Calvin was an apostle? Jesus called his teachings "dead."

My desire when reading Scripture is to know the true meaning that the Apostles were teaching. They are the Apostles, not John Calvin.

The elect is the Jewish nation, but elect doesn't mean saved. Neither does predestined. Judas was chosen also, but not for salvation. Because the Jews were God's elect, the gospel went to them first.

Thank you.

I don't know what your point is.

You are the one who wrote what, but the Scripture says whom. Romans 8:29. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Scott Downey said: For...

Scott there is no Scripture that says all believers are predestinated. Only the Apostles. Ephesians 1 is to the Ephesians in his greeting, but his apology of his authority is because He was chosen to be an Apostle by Jesus, Himself, and was predestinated along with the other Apostles who were...

If you are absolutely sure I error, I would appreciate it. But I'm not in error. Just because we believe in Jesus doesn't mean I could never apostate. The Father hand picked the Apostles out of the nation of Israel. Scott, I'm not saying that you can never be sure of your salvation. I, myself...

Immediately, I saw you change a word from God's word. Why? It is WHOM not WHAT. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. From the beginning of time God knows who becomes conformed to the image of...

This I'm pointing out is something the Apostle uses in his writings. He was Hebrew/Semitic and thus uses Semitic writing styles. You can take it or leave it without being nasty about it. We need to love one another if you call Jesus the Christ.

Hi RJ, I'm talking of the specific words that have to do with the Father giving/gives/gave to the Son/Jesus. They are key words that pertain only to the Apostles. As far as we who believe in Jesus we are predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. I like Romans 8 for that too. But the...

Not sure I know if there was a question here.

Specifically?

What I said in the OP is how John uses "key words." In his gospel he signifies that the "Father gave" him his apostles. In his epistle he uses the word "say" to show fake Christians. They say, but do not walk. Of course in Ephesians 1 he is writing to the Ephesians, but then he introduces...