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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    I’m not proposing the “rest of the dead” living not again till the thousand years are finished is a resurrection. What I’m proposing is that the “rest of the dead” is Israel that is blind in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. No physical resurrection is needed for the blindness to...
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    Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

    You did speculate. If the seven thunders speak of a future tribulation and mystery of God that is revealed just before the end then that is prophetic. If someone spoke of two tall buildings collapsing by being stuck by flying metal objects which had people in them in the year 500 AD, that...
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    Revelation chapter 20 - Gog and Magog

    Let me define “spirituality alive” this way. A person can currently confess Jesus as their savior, join a church, and claim they are spiritually alive. From our human perspective that person is saved or “spiritually alive”. From Gods perspective that person may or may not be one of His elect...
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    Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

    Well, that could be. What the seven thunders uttered is sealed. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads and in Revelation 20:2-3 the dragon, serpent which is the devil and Satan has a seal put upon him. It could also be that Satan has the Revelation 20:3 seal set on him in Revelation...
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    Are the words given by the Seven Thunders still sealed?

    Have you considered that the seven thunders may not have been Godly but Satanic? Since Satan comes as an angel of light it could be that John was going to write down what was said, thinking it was Godly, when the utterances of the seven thunders could’ve possibly came from the beast with seven...
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    Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?

    Well here’s what I see, in Leviticus 16, on the day of atonement, there are two goats that are presented before the Lord. Aaron cast lots, one goat is for the Lord and the other is for a scapegoat which remained alive. When Jesus died on the cross, He represented the goat for the Lord that got...
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    Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?

    I agree, David would be the opposite of Babylon, but the blood of Uriah is in Babylon according to Revelation 18:24. If you agree that Christ paid for David’s sin then where is Uriah’s blood? Is it still in Babylon?
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    Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?

    I agree, David’s sins were forgiven, which means the blood of Uriah was paid for by Christ. Since all the blood is found in Babylon your view needs to reconcile how it would be possible that Uriah’s blood isn’t found in Babylon. You can just ignore this but then you don’t have a convincing...
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    Was Jerusalem "Babylon the Great" 2,000 years ago?

    What are your thoughts on the blood of Uriah the Hittite? 2 Samuel 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Right, but in both cases there were less than ten righteous that either fled or entered the ark before the destruction happened. That is a common denominator for those two events which has to be put aside for certain end time views. A view that takes that number into account would be a superior...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    So what about the less than ten number? Do you see that being significant for the future coming of Christ?
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    In Genesis 19:23 Lot enter into the city of Zoar before S and G are destroyed. In this case clearly there were other cities that remained. One thing both S and G and Noah have in common is that there had to be less than ten righteous before the destruction happened. In Genesis 18:32 the Lord...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Here’s another problem that needs to be resolved if there is no literal sea in NHNE. Genesis 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. Matthew 7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    That could be used as an example but I would say the fifth seal martyrs was a one time event that occurred when the Old Testament believers left Sheol. Currently no one who gets martyred needs to ask the question of how long. We all have already read Revelation 6 and we all already know the...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    I would tend to agree that no sorrow or pain would occur in heaven, I think all the same attributes of NHNE are currently occurring spiritually but I’m not sure all those who hold an Amil view would agree. I’m curious as to what verses would be used to argue for sorrow and pain currently...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Well we are going to be in disagreement on this, I see myself currently in the NHNE, spiritually that is. Let me ask you this, in the Amil millennium those that live and reign with Christ, do they experience crying, sorrow, and pain? Obviously we all physically experience these things but those...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Yes, but in a spiritual way we already are with Him, where He is. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    That’s right, also in John 14:3 Jesus says I go to prepare a place for you. Surely if the initial creation only took seven days, the NHNE have already been created.
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    I agree, and I’m not saying NHNE have come down yet. What I’m saying is we can currently enter into New Jerusalem which I would say is in NHNE. Old heaven old earth still exists while people can come to the heavenly Jerusalem. Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of...
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    Born again believers are NOT appointed to God's wrath ( the great tribulation )

    Ok, that’s a very good point, thanks for bringing that verse up. I’ll have to think about that.