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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Futurized fantasy. :laughing:
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    I don't understand your point. The disciples were not asked. They did the asking. OK let me revise that. It is simply inconceivable that with the discourse which relates to the 70 AD era, there is no reference to its end.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Future to it. "c. of things future; then (at length) when the thing under discussion takes place (or shall have taken place):"
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    We agree with the Judaean Christians who told us that it wasn't a futurized fantasy. :laughing:
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Are you asking what happened during the tribulation? Josephus is the primary source for that. We're not told. Could begin circa 66 AD with the Roman advance on Jerusalem, ending circa 70 AD with Jerusalem's destruction. No. "Then" can mean either "at that time" or "at a future time". "c...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Verse 29 is an example of what also appears in Acts 2:20 i.e. an apocalyptic idiom describing events of great significance, true of both the birth of the NT Church, and the death of the OT economy. Verses 30-31 are Second Coming.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    So in the Matthew 24:6 ongoing application to all believers, " end " is the Second Coming. And in the Matthew 24:6 historical application to the disciples, " end " is the Second Coming. The first is true, the second is untenable. It is simply inconceivable that with all of the discourse which...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Is there any instance of " end " within Matthew 24 that refers to the end occurring in 70 AD? Or do all instances of " end " in Matthew 24 refer exclusively to the Second Coming?
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    I referenced them because it was wars and rumors within the Roman Empire which would be most troubling without Jesus' reassurance.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Example?
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Yes, "you" were the disciples, and ongoing watchfulness is a necessity for all believers.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Jesus does not tell us why He thought that they would or could be troubled. But He did think that they would or could be troubled. One possible reason could have been the abrupt increase in the frequency of wars and commotions (Luke 21:9) within the Roman Empire, as documented in the the...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Yes, believers understand that persecution has always been an ongoing reality. But Jesus' descriptions of persecutions were directed specifically to His "ye" and "you" disciples, and fulfilled specifically in the book of Acts, as I've cited. That is past history and will never be specifically...
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    The overarching counterquestion to your questions is: Why did Jesus bring these things up?
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Then why did Jesus bring it up?
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    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    Tell God that the Lollards, Hugenots, Hussites, et al who stayed true to Him had no sway. Tell us what He tells you. :laughing: You'll be waiting until you decide to understand past and present verb tenses. In other words, forever. :laughing:
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Then why did Jesus caution them (or more accurately, reassure them to "be not troubled" in verse 6)? Obviously He knew that they could or would be troubled without His reassurance. It makes sense to me.
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Did He call you the AoD? :laughing:
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    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Matthew 24 6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers...
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    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    You're the one saying that as you're equating orthodox Christianity with Romanism. Heretical according to you? Are you a closet papist? The Lollards were led by John Wycliffe. Any idea who he was? :laughing:
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