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It was after I came out of Calvinism that I found them, but if it had been during my 'reformed' days, it would surely have brought me out. Later I came out of Protestantism through reading them, and some of the more recent writers like Fr. John Romanides. I just don't get, how anyone can see...

I am a long way from sliding GG. I am reading the scriptures that the Uni's amongst us quote, and considering them, but not how they interpret them, testing my understanding on scripture firstly. However I have not been swayed by any means, as I began to give the Trinity a fresh look before...

No GG. It is, to me, what has been the mistaken teaching that has overcome the west, and won't be able to stand against the Unitarian takeover coming because they do have verses that can persuade others because they have a bit of truth .used with a huge error. Jesus Christ is not a creature...

OK you just can't grasp that the Father was in eternity forever, then He brought forth His Son, at the point of creation, totally divine as well, not a creature like everything else that does not share in His essence. Only the Son and HS share in that and are therefore a trinity. Fully God and...

Let's start at the beginning: In the beginning was the Word which is what I am saying. When was the beginning? Eternity is above time so there is no beginning there. It must mean the creation where Jesus was, by then present.

I am changing my view on the Trinity after finding out about Eastern Orthodoxy, and absolutely believe in it but just not quite as I knew it before. I have been born again since 1974. God is eternal right? He has no beginning or end and He the Father is the source of everything. There was a...

Yes I was willing and have spent some time thinking it through. I appreciate the chance to do this. However, I have not come back to continue in discussion as it is futile when you were not prepared to do the same. Just to tie up a few ends. I did not mean that I alone have a different...

I think that He eminated into a spiritual being long before He was incarnated, at the beginning of time. Beginning of time is not eternity. Time is this creation so no I do not believe that He always existed nor did the HS.

Agreed. But do you agree that there was a time when Jesus came into an eminated form whereas the Father always was as He is eternal?

Believing in the Trinity could be the requisite for taking part in the debate forums at least. Scripture says that the Father is not begotten but Jesus is, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (not the Son). God is spirit and has no beginning yet His Son 'eminates' from Him as the early...

You are making more assumptions, as is your way. I have nothing to do with holiness churches. They base their doctrine of a further event in sanctification, on early church teaching pf theosis, but have gone far astray on it till it does not resemble it at all these days, but in the early years...

I too thought that this was the begetting but think now it was when God the Father produced His Son in order to enter space and time and create all.

The Holy Spirit points things out to us that need our attention. If you do not believe that then you are having a relationship with a book and not a living faith. It is not latter day revelation, as there is nothing new under the sun but that which we confirm in scripture. For most of church...

Because they were in the same boat as the second son. They also did not obey Gods commandments. They gave the correct answer and Jesus was showing them they knew they were gulity condemning themselves. Apologies I did not see that one. I really don't see how you could come to that conclusion...

Oh now I think back, that was my second from 1976, totally worn out before I found out it was Dispensational. I did not depend on its notes though and ended up Reformed. My first was a Good News one in 1973, gifted by the couple who led me to the Lord, which I soon became fed up with.

Thank you I accept your apology. I asked you why Jesus rebuked the answer you gave that it was the first son who was obedient. “The first,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32 For John...

My oldest worn out Bible is 50 years old thank you. I believe in the Trinity as three in one persons, all divine and as you have not bothered to take notice of my beliefs, I will not further converse with you unless you do thank you.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26) The Father is from eternity unbegotten, the Son begotten: "According to Saint Gregory the Theologian, trying to go further...

I cannot have respect for a man who makes a deal and then gets out of it by not answering my question .

He revealed to me that was the standard of obedience He requires.