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I can't find the ref. you mentioned. I may have meant generated in eternity.

Thank you @Johann Prov 8:22 says: New International Version “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; New Living Translation “The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else. English Standard Version “The LORD possessed me at the...

I held your view for 50 years and you think I should go back to it? There is nothing I do not know about your view. Farewell!

I would add, that the incarnate Christ, being a mix between eternity and creation, has the ability to function throughout creation as Saviour and not just after the incarnation.

God the Father, brought Jesus Christ into being at the beginning of creation, whereas He Himself existed eternally, and at the point of creation, as it is through Christ that this creation came forth. Scripture is not clear so far on whether the two were at the same time or not. I think it is...

"Bear always in mind that this is the rule of faith which I profess; by it I testify that the Father, and the Son, and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and so will you know in what sense this is said. Now, observe, my assertion is that the Father is one, and the Son one, and the...

It is that encounter that they call 'born again' and everyone has the same testimony - that it was Christ they encountered. May I suggest that you consider this.

I am not equipped at present to debate you and kindly ask if you would leave this thread as you are not able to keep on topic. I will say to you, that your view and the existing Trinitarian view expressed here, which I claim to not be the one of the early church, and are both imbalanced, two...

As I have described to the last poster, the three are one in essence and all are divine and worthy of worship. There are some points of the Trinity that do not stand to logic but I believe that scripture gives us a good idea.

Jesus is not like God the Father, the source of all things who is eternal therefore has no beginning, but is begotten by the Father. This is the point where it says 'in the beginning', the point at which the eternal God, had to make a change in order to enter time and space, being purely Spirit...

Interesting. Then you will have some insight into the things I mentioned. Normally they are not allowed to prozelytise alone. Sad for you though. They break up families. There is an acceptance of minor differences from the early church onwards so long as they are not heretical, from leaders...

Get back on topic thank you.

And those who have been persuaded to think that Christ is not God, as the Muslims do, they will not put up much of a fight.

Yes I know that Christianity has been infiltrated by Interfaith, But I don't see that as our biggest enemy. When the numbers of Muslims are great enough in each country, then they will take over and declare holy war which is what I am seeing.

Yes absolutely. I said.

But I don't understand the concept of one world church, when Islam is growing by the day and they are not Universalists.

But if you die, believing that Jesus is God and that every man will be saved in the end, how does that compare to dying and saying that Jesus was not God Almighty? The first one does not blaspheme.

I think that Islam is the biggest threat, not liberalism, and they are not Universalists. Universalists will say believe in the Lord Jesus. Islam says He is only a prophet.

@Ritajanice Not sure but might get sent to you afterwards as a recorded option. You can ask. Also not sure when it will get on her YT channel or if it will. By the way: "Naturally occurring compounds and elements such as magnesium have also been shown to act as calcium channel blockers when...

I don't think that Universalism is such a threat to born-agains.