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. Only one thing in the lower list is said to have the power to create something from nothing, SS. We're pals, so I know you're not going to make me trot out those verses. I'm not at all sure that classing the Bible with commentaries and other things in an understandable effort to avoid...

. Good morning, Brother Dave, The claims you make here have been shown many times to be incorrect and, as this is not a Sabbath relevance debate thread, it might be best if we just call it a day with this line of discussion. ' '

. Forgive me for interloping, SS, but I've worshipped God ignorant of things I should have known about Him for my entire life—not the least of which may yet prove to be your understanding of UR. I still do—to this day. I think it is better than not worshipping Him at all, especially in light...

. The "not peace, but a sword" thing is sometimes unavoidable, to be sure. ' . Inevitable, no doubt, but the devil is the accuser of the brethren. The Holy Spirit guides into all truth and imparts only a healthy and minimally shameful kind of guilt. ' . I am so glad you had that experience. I...

. Which covenant is it that saved those who you claim were the only ones required to keep the 7th-day Sabbath? Just as the rest of abiding in Christ is not literally the same as Heaven itself, it is also not the same as the weekly, biologically necessary rest of the 4th commandment. Those who...

. Absolutely incomprehensible, Mexican Jumping Bean-style theology Now you seem to be saying that the 4th commandment itself was the Old Covenant. And that Christ need not have come to fulfill the law/Sabbath, because He already did so in Genesis 2 "in ALPHA." ' '

Once again, couldn't possibly be the same law. Verses 16-18 of Hebrews 7 says the law that is being changed is carnal/fleshly, weak, and unprofitable: Heb 7:16-18 16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life. 17 For he testifieth, Thou art a...

. You see Jesus saying whatever you want to see Him saying and simply ignore the rest. He also said this: Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. (John 15:13) And this: Matthew 22 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy...

. Frankly, I don't understand the use of this reference, at least, as it is commonly done. I don't know how I would go about requiring someone to "consider one day more sacred than another." I know how to close a browser tab, turn off a device, etc. If someone is saying something I don't want...

. The New Covenant "took effect," so to speak, as soon as Christ pledged Himself to die for the sins of mankind. The Bible says that Christ is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8) No one has ever been saved without the provisions of the New Covenant. The "Old"...

. I just don't see that pointing out error (i.e. mistaken assumption?) need necessarily constitute an "accusation." I've been struggling greatly of late with someone who is illustrating this point perfectly. The individual will not acknowledge the difference between "disagreement with...

. Or we could take it up with the roughly 20,000 people who profess faith in the LORD Jesus Christ as the sole propitiation for their sins (salvation) and join the worldwide Seventh-day Adventist church every year. Just a thought. The purpose here is not to proselytize but simply to refute...

. Brother Dave, I know not how to rejoice in a truncated, "specifically where the LORD Jesus stated this TRUTH" gospel that saves me in my sins, rather than from them. I haven't the ability to understand terms like this and, loosely quoted, "in Whom the commandments reside." It might make...

I hope habitual and ever-increasing lying doesn't cause someone to lose their standing with God (I know you despise the "OSAS peoples," too) because if it does, Sabbath-breaking might be the least of your worries. We don't believe that anyone is tortured in hell forever, much less people who go...

. The problem is that most folks believe anyone who doesn't believe as they believe are cultists. Anyone can point to any kind of leadership in a denomination or even a congregation and holler "CULT!" Which, unfortunately, makes a thread like this a virtual sandbox. ' '

. The emptiest words ever uttered about Christianity The life, death, resurrection, and intercession of Christ are all that could afford salvation for mankind. All of this "dependent upon" dung is just echoes of the fatal parlay discussion at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. ' '

. It certainly gives me great joy but it is no new discovery nor a surprise at all. It just goes to show that the rest that comes from abiding in God's grace as a whole, while all-encompassing, is distinct from the admittedly subordinate, yet no less necessary rest that comes weekly via the...

. . Sure, we know why you're here: You've been very jealous for the LORD GOD of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken His covenant, thrown down His altars, and slain His prophets with the sword; and you, even you only, are left; and they seek your life. ' '

. Has anyone asked you to "become SDA?" What do you think Seventh-day Adventists should do—hide their lights under a bushel? Perhaps they should be cancelled/banned? Maybe only those who have no denominational affiliation should be allowed to discuss their beliefs. That's really popular these...

. There is no "commandment given to go to church on Saturday only" by anyone that has been suggested in the discussions on this forum. ' '