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YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH MOVING THE GOALPOSTS LIKE THAT. IF IT'S THE "CENTRAL DECLARATION" THEN IT DOESN'T NEED THE "NOT THE ONLY' DESIGNATION. I WANT YOU TO SHOW ME HOW IT'S THE CENTRAL DECLARATION. 3 FULL VERSES DON'T NEED THE HELP OF VERSES "THROUGHOUT THE GOSPEL" TO BE A CENTRAL...

. @David in NJ You said that John 3:16-18 is the CENTRAL declaration of MESSIAH being the 7th Day of REST for the Jewish people and the whole world. ' IT IS NOT THERE AND ALL OF THE MULTIPLICITOUS CASUISTRY IN THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO PUT IT THERE. '

. You bettter read Exodus 16 (link), Exodus 19 (link), Exodus 20 (link), and double-check that one, Zig. ' '

THEY'RE FOUND IN EXODUS 20. .

. IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S... NOT... THERE. '

. This kind of thing makes the rounds a lot and could probably use some addressing. Adventists have been skittish about creeds from the very beginning and rightfully so, considering all the persecution that made its way to American shores during the pilgrimage. We're a decidedly independent...

. Zig, do you think it was ever Christ's intention for the children of Israel to separate themselves from Him for 6 days of the week? I mean, isn't that what the "pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night" thing was all about? Not even while they were asleep did He leave them. It...

. This is some pretty funny stuff considering Big Troll is always prancing around saying that the Seventh-day Adventist "home office" is coming after us when we don't toe the line. I guess when trolling is your thing you can't waste much time making sure you don't commit the "I'm having it both...

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@David in NJ, . If I'm forced to put you on my -ignore- list, then I won't be able to see what you're saying when you're not behaving the way you are now, Dave. ' '

. I'm having some trouble seeing what an English translation has to do with the larger question here, SS. ' '

. This is not personal, believe me, but I'm bewildered by the almost complete general lack of awareness that the apostles and even Christ Himself taught the Gospel from the Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament. The New Testament Scripture, blessed treasure that it is, was given largely because...

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. I don't know this to always be the case at all, Dave. You're being redundantly persistent, and I don't find that edifying at all. Hopefully you're benefitting from it, somehow. ' '

. If I didn't think better of you, I'd believe you had some patent objection to the Bible, SS. All of these look like basically the same question to me. Which I would answer with the question: What if God's ways, which are not our ways, make it impossible to express His will in human language...

. I'm a bit disappointed in the way you're persisting here. It doesn't seem very brotherly. ' '

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. I'm not discussing this here any longer, Dave. At least, not for now. @Brakelite has something else in mind here, and I've derailed that long enough. ' '

. Not at all, SS ' '

. So you keep saying, Dave, but not everyone is buying—already been addressed (link). ' '