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I don't agree with the meaning of the verse in Hebrews but I mostly agree with your view here. Where I would differ is I tend to look at salvation from the end result (those who are saved are those who will be in the end). But this is probably due largely to my own traditions and presuppositions.

I believe Genisis is speaking of a physical death and the "second death" the Christ-centered judgment as a direct result of the Cross as all judgment is given to Christ. The reason I believe this is the verse in Genisis does not say that Adam would die on the day he eats of the fruit. The...

I'll pick back up tomorrow. I took on one too many cases today and am a bit brain dead. Calling it a night.

I think you misunderstood me. I do believe Christ suffered for us. It is by His stripes we are healed. I suggest it is one thing to say Christ bore our sins, was chastened for our well being, died for our sins and redeemed us while another all together to view that as God punishing Jesus...

The best way to understand my view is probably to read the writings of the early church and perhaps C. S. Lewis. They are more articulate than I and the basis of the "classic" view is the same regardless of minor differences. The focus is on re-creation rather than punishment.

This is one issue (judicial philosophy). Look at it this way - a man sins. There are two possible just actions. Punish the sinner (not the sin but the man for sinning) or change the sinner into a non-sinner. I believe God justly forgives men by the work of Christ on the cross (we are crucified...

I believe we do physically die and then are resurrected. What I mean is we are not spared physical death. I do not see how sin can be punished. People can be punished but not actual sin. We die to sin and are made new in Christ. Sin is forgiven (there is no sin to be punished...we are made new...

Jane, If someone repented of their sin do you believe that sin would still require punishment in order for that person to be forgiven?

The wages of sin is death. We suffer death. Jesus became a curse for us and also suffered death for our sins (He is sinless). I believe Christ saves us not from physical death but by giving us life. The only other condemnation is at Judgment which is Christ-centered. Those who are condemned...

Sure. But keep in mind I am a Grateful Dead fan.:D The Cross is about forgiveness. It is not about God punishing Christ instead of punishing us. Instead it is about man sharing in Christ's death and resurrection. It is about repentance, being made new creatures no longer in bondage to sin and...

The wages of sin is death.

It's like when my wife comes at me with a frying pan.

It was God reconciling mankind to Himself, forgiving our sins. There is no condemnation in Christ. Scripture tells us God will forgive when we repent. IMHO this repentance is dying to sin and being made alive in Christ it is a recreation. Our sins do not have to be punished - the sinner in us...

I'd disagree because although Jesus died He was in Paradise with the thief.

There is the "second death" but that is at Judgment. I specify because Penal Substitution Theory focuses on Jesus experiencing a spiritual death rather than a physical death. That is why @Steve Owen insists Jesus experienced three hours of what the lost will experience in Hell (which he...

@David Taylor , Did Jesus die a physical death? YES. Did Jesus die a physical death for our sins? YES. Did Jesus die a physical death instead of us dying a physical death? NO I do not know another way to explain the difference between “for” (which is in Scripture) and “instead” (which is...

You studied the same history I studied (you know that this was an important distinction in Aquinas' theology). It was essential to the early church (granted, they were going through persecutions). It is important here as well. Use the example I offered of a physical death - Jesus died a...

Let's try this: The wages of sin is death and death has spread to all mankind. Jesus became a curse for us and took upon Himself these wages. But we are not spared a physical death. We will die physically. Christ saves us through death. So dying a physical death was for our sins, but it was...

Not for understanding alone but to introduce the Kingdom of God and the act of recreation. But yes, I'd say our redemption is the righteousness of God manifested apart from the law (not related directly with justice or sin or sacrifice for sins, although these point to this greater salvation).

I'm trying to think of an explanation (the difference is in the words "instead of" and "for".