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Sorry it did not help. We have to remember that quite a bit of EO stuff is apologetics. I find one problem is that people start with a bias, like listening to RCC stuff. Then there is a problem with understanding the mindset. Not sure of the meaning of the uncreated manifestations not essence...

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=essence+v+energy+of+God&mid=55EF079A372A9BF6CD3355EF079A372A9BF6CD33&FORM=VIRE Only 6.41 mins

I missed this one. Don't get me on to evangelicalism! Walking in the Spirit is unknown there.

OK I am going to butt out of this one and ask @Lizbeth if she has anything to add as I am intruding. Thanks.

He was under the OC law which included the TC. Jesus showed that the NC law was stricter. How could he be under the NC law as a Pharisee?

Paul was without the new covenant law when he was a Pharisee. The crisis I am talking about was when he was a believer but walking in the flesh but had been convicted of his sins. Why would he say he was aware of the 'inward man' or his spirit if an unbeliever?

@dev553344 They are not alter personalities as such but parts of us. Like people say 'a part of me wants to do this but another part wants to do that.

He had reached the crisis all get to when they are convicted by the Holy Spirit of our sins and we see ourselves as God sees us. He meant the law of God we obey as believers. He died means he can no longer carry on as things stand. He hates his sins but cannot stop sinning.

@Lizbeth wrote: I was talking about Rom 8:1 and what follows from it (which follows on from Romans 7 and is the solution to the battle with sin), as well as other verses which speak to walking in the Spirit....and it is THROUGH the Spirit that we are to mortify the deeds of the flesh: Gal 5:16...

Paul displays to us the answer which @Lizbeth has shown already, that he went on to Romans 8 as the Holy Spirit delivered him from his legalism.

This is the testimony of Paul when he was a Pharisee: Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. Phil 3:6 Pharisees only saw the need to have the 'outer cup' clean, they did not understand that what comes out of a man pollutes him. Jesus...

I entirely agree with you, though it was not like that in my country so much. I have heard that many have been severely damaged by it and feel for them. I do not water down the commandments and am not sin free as I have said. The message should be that it is by the power of God alone, we just...

@uncle silas Look, I am sorry you had such a bad church experience. They were clearly legalists and not preaching the true gospel. At that time in church history, there were few if any holiness churches that had not gone down into legalism and it is even worse now. I am thankful that I have...

@uncle silas If you are not here to engage in the subject, just to refute it and be insulting, I ask you to go elsewhere and start your own thread on the subject thank you.

I am glad you saw that I am not writing for you. You are too far gone.

@uncle silas Trying to obey every rule written down is not freedom. It is the burden carried by Christian in Pilgrims Progress. The walk in the Spirit is obeying Him moment by moment, so living in the present, just by hearing His voice telling you the way to go - to the left or to the right...

OC talks about giving up the right to ourselves. I think that is pretty apt. I agree about that battle never having to be fought again. It is the battle depicted by John of the Cross in the dark night of the spirit, a terrifying place when you feel as though you are being destroyed. In fact you...

Thank you @Lambano . No it was not earned as nothing of the flesh can please God. But I was blessed with severe suffering for my whole life, and abused by all of my family then two marriages as I knew no different. When one sufferers so, the usual platitudes in religion are not enough and...

Of course and the doctrine of Theosis certainly delivers on that. The false versions, valued immorality above everything and was the reason for the interest. They believed that man would only become morally perfect in the after life. Just like a lot of believers sadly.