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I have done this Steve. I do not believe you are able to tell the difference between Scripture and your theology, philosophies, and theories. None of the passages you have offered support the idea that God punished Christ instead of punishing us. I have told you this, you kerp offerong the...

I always like to remind people (especially Calvinists) that he died a Calvinist. The counsel examined his views and considered them extreme but within orthodox Calvinism. He was a Calvinistic professor when he died. After he died his views were declared unorthodox (the five articles were...

Arminians are Calvinists except thay believe the Five Articles of the Remonstrance (the 5 Points of Calvinism were just rejections of these articles). Article 1 That God, by an eternal and unchangeable purpose in Jesus Christ his Son, before the foundation of the world, hath determined, out of...

I do not believe we can push it that far, but I have not had time to go through the passages you offer (I am not arguing against your post, only stating where I stand on it prior to going through the passages you have provided). There are weveral reasons I believe this. One reason is "death"...

My bad! I just looked on my shelf. I was talking about his book The Atonement. I have not read the other.

It was the preacher preaching to the choir. When I read it I was a Calvinist so I appreciated it more than I would should I read it today. What I once thought scholarly and biblical now I would see as scholarly and sad. I did like his focus on God's love. I did not like that he approached the...

I am calling assumed ideas that becone tge foundation to the doctrine as "assumptions". I suppose "presuppositions" would be better. No. They are not assumptions because I don't hold them. The are presuppositions because they are not taught by Scripture but instead are read into it (or...

@Butterfly , I think "Christian" is more than enough of a label. Too many seek out a philosophy or a theology often, I think, because thay are not content with God or redemption. Consider this quote from David Wells (from God in the Wasteland): The fundamental problem in the evangelical...

The Southern Baptists Convention (SBC) is not a governing body over churches. It is a Convention churches can choose to contribute to or leave at any time. Some are Calvinist churches, some free-will, some perhaps even Arminian. Some are dispensational others teach covenant theology, many affirm...

Dispensationalism was a way of looking at how God interacts with man. It was at first limited to Calvinism but spread. Basically it views redemption history as made up of several dispensations, each with its own administrating principles. Covenant theology is a counter view that holds divides...

Steve, You do not have to slander me in order to express your opinion or understanding of Calvinism. You should have simply said that you are willing to discuss the theology with him.

I do not use my theology as a factor to be unkind or disassociate with members. The dog avtar is appropriate because he is my dog.

Steve, Look at the post again. You can twist my words to claim I am saying Calvinists are racists (I suspect some are and some are not, just like people who hold other theologies). But this is dishonest (either intentionally or out of a lack of comprehension). I am not sure which. Again, you...

Hi Stranger, What I mean by the presuppositions is the reasons behind how they interpret Scripture. For example, @Steve Owen explains that Christ bore the 'curse which accompanies death' and asks whose curse is that? He assumes this is the curse of God against sin. He notes that Jesus 'was...

You believe I posted that Calvinists are racists????? This is the problem with how you read Scripture as well, Steve. You read into it what is not there.

I grew up in Marietta Georgia (I moved in middle school to Nashville). I remember KKK and Black Panther rallies on the square. Some of the klan people read that white people were God's chosen and minorities bore the mark of Cain. They passed out fliers explaining Scripture to defend their...

Yes.

Thanks Rita. I am Southern Baptist by denomination. The agenda Calvinists have shown on this thread is the issue that was occurring in SBC churches. This is not all (probably not most) Calvinists. But we had some becoming pastors and once in a church implementing this same agenda. They have...

Shell game. On this thread people who advocate the Theory claim Scripture states God punished Jesus instead of punishing us to satisfy the demands of divine justice. But when they provide Scripture they provide passages common to all Christians...passages that do not actually state the...

I agree. And Sarcasm is my second language (Southern is my 1st, English my 3rd) :D