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Now that's funny. :)

I have observed some do that for years. It is not interesting but sad. People become indoctrinated. They seem to believe anyone who is not "with them" in their theories and theology is somehow against them. I have seen small groups of professing Christians team up against other Christians...

I agree that he held a Substitution atonement. This is not Penal Substitution Theory (see my quote from Augustine). We cannot pull apart parts we like from Augustine (or anyone). That is not being honest. The difference, of course, is Augustine taught Jeses did not die to appease God. I agree...

A substitution but not Penal Substitution Theory "Was then His Son already so far appeased towards us, that He even deigned to die for us; while the Father was still so far angry, that except His Son died for us, He would not be appeased? And what, then, is that which the same teacher of the...

I do not know where it is (ask David, he knows). Frankly, I do not care. It does not relate to the topic of the OP. And I never claimed Augustine rejected Substitution. I said he strongly rejected the idea Christ had to die to satisfy God (much less divine justice). So he did not affirm Penal...

I think it is the assumptions that gets you guys. I "trolled" Anthony by "following" him here. By that logic Steve "followed" me here. Are you condemning Steve? No. He is a member of the puppy squad. That makes perfect sense :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: In truth, I came here without...

Lol.....sure he did, Steve....just like most of the Early Church Fathers and Martin Luther taught Penal Substitution Theory :rolleyes::rolleyes: Let's just ignore that Augustine explicitly (and strongly) denied that Christ had to die to appease the Father.

lol...Except you are ignoring my comment stating I misspoke. That is the problem I have with the puppy squad. You guys do not seem to care about truth or an honest discussion but instead look for a "gotcha" moment. Reformed theology is generally considered synonymous with Calvinism and most...

You are wrong. But you are right that Calvin was very much dependent on Augustine (although Augustine did not affirm Penal Substitution Theory, so the context also changes).

Yes Steve. Calvinistic churches are more like Presbyterian churches than non-Calvinistic churches. I alse believe non-Calvinistic churches are less like Presbyterian Churches than are Calvinustic churches. The reason I believe this is Calvinistic churches hold a very similar soteriology when...

And the hokee poke. :D The only issue I see is that @SovereignGrace bows in to make comments and then bows out when anyone raises their hand for a question. LOL

I think so. The "trees" part is difficult for me. But since we have the "Tree of Life", I think you are correct. I wonder if both are not true (the choices and a literal act). I've gone back and forward with this one.

I do not understand why you believe my comment was snide. I am not saying that Reformed Baptist churches are Presbyterian churches that affirm believers baptism. I am saying that Reformed Baptist churches are closer to Presbyterian doctrine than Calvinistic Baptists. The reason I believe this...

I can't walk through those passages (they are more extensive than I can address). But I would love to discuss them and learn your interpretation. Here is an example of what I am speaking of: Genesis 2:16-17 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat...

I will when I get back home.

It is true that I no longer affirm Penal Substitution Theory. I have been very honest and forward about my beliefs. I believe all sides have a right to express their views without being slandered or ganged up on. I do not know what this has to do with the OP.

Lol....or its a pup who stepped in puppy poo :p ... What part of the method I suggested do you find objectionable? What method do you use? Or do you believe we need a study method?

I am John Caldwell. Who am I? I am a Christian, just like most here. No more, no less. Apparently this thread was a trolling effort in a personal agenda against me. On another thread I mentioned that I believe we have to remain very close to Scripture ("what is written") when considering...

I was a Calvinist, but I was never a Reformed Baptist. It is odd that some Calvinists treat the theology as if it were the gospel itself (once a Calvinist, always a Calvinist- if they are no longer a Calvinist they were never a Calvinist as they never would have changed .... that kind of...

Love it! And so true.