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Ok, so are you saying none of verses that refer to the kingdom of heaven/kingdom of God are referring to the millennial kingdom?

You are making a judgment call yourself in this statement. Not only that, but you are assuming my prayers are formed in a way that looks down on others. My prayers go something like this … Lord in this debate I’m having, you know what’s right. May you give us the ability to see and understand...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I don’t judge others but those who think the kingdom has not yet been realized and is still only to take place in the future are in need of our prayers...

Ok, in Revelation 13:1 the beast has ten horns and ten crowns upon his horns. In Revelation 17:3 the beast has ten horns but no crowns are mentioned, when we get to verse 12 it says they haven’t received their kingdom yet, but do receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Do you see the...

Well, I agree the beast isn’t described as having eight heads but Revelation 17:11 says he is the eighth and is of the seven. What do you think Revelation 17:11 is talking about? Which one of the seven would you consider to be called the eighth?

Ok, thanks. Satan gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast, when that happens do you see Satan as not being able to deceive at that time? I know the beast deceives when he receives the power, seat, and authority but what about Satan himself during that time, do you see him retaining...

Do you think the eighth head could also be Babylon? The Babylon in Revelation 18 is not Nebuchadnezzar’s Babylon so it could be viewed as the eighth that is of the seven.

No debate here Doug, I just want to get your thoughts. In Revelation 12:3 the dragon has seven heads with crowns on the heads but no mention of crowns on the horns. In Revelation 13:1 the ten horns on the beast have crowns. Do you see the ten horns/kings receiving power as kings one hour...

Ok, so you’re saying the heavenly Jerusalem is not the New Jerusalem in heaven before it comes down?

Thanks for pointing that out, i edited my post. I thought everyone here was in agreement that according to Hebrews 12:22 we believers have already come to the heavenly Jerusalem. I probably should’ve made that distinction and said … Do you see any verses that would indicate a person can...

I can see by your response that you might believe a person can loose their salvation. I can respect that position but I’m in the once saved always saved camp so I don’t see it that way. I didn’t intend to get too deep into this topic but here’s how I ultimately see things. In Galatians 2:9 an...

Well that is debatable, if you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a literal, physical city then obviously it has not arrived on this earth. If you’re of the opinion that New Jerusalem is a spiritual destination then it is possible that it has descended already. Well, sure, we aren’t...

Yes, I believe the Church is the body of Christ but not the bride of Christ. I don’t think the body of Christ is the bride of Christ. No, I was pointing out that Colossians 2:10 says we are complete in Him and this statement would be somewhat problematic if the Church is the bride and the...

I do think New Jerusalem is the bride of Christ and I get that from Revelation 21:9-10, where the angel tells John “I will show thee the bide, the Lambs wife … and showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God”. When we look at the Old Testament the first...

What 1 Corinthians 15:23 is pointing to is Revelation 19:11-16 where Christ, on the white horse, is ranked first and the armies in heaven that follow Him on their horses are ranked next. The word “order” in 1 Corinthians 15:23 is meant as a military ranking which agrees with Revelation 19. Also...

1 Corinthians 15:23 is an incomplete list of all those who are resurrected. The word “order” <5001> means ranking, as in Christ is ranked first then those who are Christ’s at His coming are ranked next. Unbelievers are not shown in this ranking so as you can see it is not meant as a complete...

That’s not correct, Paul didn’t disagree with a resurrection taking place, only that “the resurrection” was past already. Whatever resurrection Hymenaeus and Philetus were talking about was not in question, it was only that that resurrection was past already. Therefore Paul seems to be in...

I agree with you on this, however I think John was seeing somethings that already took place in the visions he had in Revelation. Think about this, John himself was obviously involved in some of the visions he had yet he doesn’t record that he sees himself. Revelation 21:14 has the twelve...

They obviously weren’t in agreement with Paul so they may have had the teaching but they didn’t hold it as being completely true.

Because at that time they didn’t have the New Testament. It appears that Hymenaeus and Philetus were using verses such as those in Ezekiel 37, where the dry bones come to life, to claim the final resurrection had occurred and they were not part of it. In Matthew 27:52-53 there was a physical...