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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Surely, the most significant doctrine of Protestantism, is sola scriptura which I believe you hold to. It was after all, one of the main reason for the split from the Roman Catholics, as they were adding to scripture in regard to indulgences and other practices. We have diverted from the...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    If your believing is in what is true then it will align with the explanations in Scripture. Sorry belief not believe. What is meant, I believe, is that it is about the heart. The heart that is foolish above all things. If the heart is not right with God, then any amount of explanations will...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I think the point was that God spoke a second time, not on their actions specifically.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I was not denying that He will physically return. Both. The apostles could not be wrong in thinking that it was going to be in their lifetime (physically). I don't see how it could be used by the Lord to warn believers, if they were not believers. What would be the point? It is taking the...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Good post on this from Lizbeth on epis thread: "Here I will just lay this out for your or anyone's consideration - don't mean to push it on anyone: Gen 22:15-17 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, (don’t think the wording is accidental) And said, By...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Jesus will return again, but this is not what the scripture teaches about a second coming. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Indeed. The problem is that believers who have come to Christ and accept the truth of scripture, imagine themselves as being in Christ, when the fruit of the union is not in their lives. We never receive a 'bit of' Christ. We are in the Spirit or not in the Spirit. It needs the appropriation of...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Taking the weekend off. See you Monday!
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    So we gradually cleanse ourselves?
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Yes but this bit is important: Therefore, put to death what is earthly in you And that is where most are wrong: they think that it is a gradual death. We are to put off and put on, like a coat, which is done in one action not slowly over many years. It's just that the putting on seems like...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Yes His followers have His Spirit but not dwelling deep within. Otherwise they would have it all at their fingertips. The fruit is there bam! when one arises with Christ. Amen! That is the right attitude! As I have said there is nothing to be achieved for waiting for the fullness. Obeying...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Indeed it is the day of judgement: For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: Isa. 2:1 Howl ye; for the day of the Lord is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Isa...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I concede that saying 'second blessing' is not useful in these conversations. It has too many connotations to the things that were wrong with the Holiness Movement. Instead, I will rather use the idea that, it is when a man comes to believe in the fullness of what Christ achieved for him on the...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    @Johann I would like to apologize for that post if I was misunderstanding your motive. And also my embarrassment regarding the lack of a properly researched piece on which ECF taught what on Theosis. I have failed to get this together due to personal circumstances but I am working on it! I am...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Thank you Johann, I think you have taken up enough time on my thread. I am sure we have already been through that.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Reader, just to make it clear what the basic disagreement is about. I am speaking from the doctrine of entire sanctification that was widespread during the holiness movement, although there was much error and hypocrisy going on at the time, which you would expect if you agreed that Satan hates...
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    Making Disciples

    I don't want to bother. Others have done it repeatedly. You bring holiness doctrine into discredit by your additional doctrines.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Please do put me on ignore. You have already rebutted my points countless times, by twisting scripture so why continue? Thanks.
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    Making Disciples

    @Episkopos I have 'liked' that post as it is truth, but as Lizbeth says, you have poisoned the well with untruths.